The City of New Castle, Indiana

COUNCIL MEETING

AUGUST 17, 2009          7:00 P.M.

 

THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WAS GIVEN BY ALL IN ATTENDANCE.

PRAYER WAS GIVEN BY PASTOR  TERRY MOORE, CHRIST FELLOWSHIP CHURCH OF KNIGHTSTOWN, INDIANA.

MAYOR SMALL OPENED THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE COMMON COUNCIL.

 

ROLL CALL:

SANDY YORK                                              PRESENT                  

ANGIE GOODMAN                                      PRESENT

JAMES KIDD                                                 PRESENT

MARY MALONE                                          PRESENT

MARK KOGER                                             PRESENT

VAUGHN REID                                            PRESENT

RICHARD HAHN                                         PRESENT

 

 

     COUNCILMAN KIDD MOVED TO TABLE THIS ORDINANCE FOR MORE STUDY.  COUNCILMAN REID: SECOND     ROLL CALL VOTE:  SEVEN VOTES AYE.       TABLED

  

       COUNCILMAN REID MADE THE MOTION TO TABLE THIS ORDINANCE.   COUNCILMAN KOGER: SECOND.   ROLL CALL VOTE: SEVEN VOTES AYE.    TABLED.

 

     PRESIDENT YORK SAID AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, ORDINANCE #3583 WILL BE WITHDRAWN TONIGHT.  THAT IS THE ORDINANCE ABOUT THE TRASH PICKUP.  THAT WILL NOT BE READ TONIGHT AND IT WILL BE REFERRED TO COUNCIL COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER STUDY.

 

COMMITTEE REPORTS:

 

COUNCILMAN KIDD - HE SAID HE WENT TO THE COURT HOUSE TODAY AND THEY PULLED HIM A SUMMARY OF TAXES ON A CERTAIN LOT IN THE MOBILE HOME PARK.  THE PEOPLE THAT PAY PERSONNEL PROPERTY TAX ON THEIR MOBILE HOMES PAY THE SAME THING THAT EVERYBODY DOES ON PROPERTY TAX EXCEPT FOR THE LAND VALUES.  HE WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE OWNER OF THE LAND WOULD PAY THAT PART OF THE TAX AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE MOBILE HOMES ARE PAYING THE SAME THING THAT WE WOULD PAY.  ACCORDING TO 2008, FOR THIS PARTICULAR MOBILE HOME WAS $129.70.  OF THAT, $60.91 GOES TO THE CITY OF NEW CASTLE.  HE THOUGHT THE CITY SHOULD REPRESENT THEM ON THAT.

           COUNCILMAN REID THANKED COUNCILMAN KIDD FOR THE RESEARCH.  HE SAID HE NOTICED THE PERSONNEL PROPERTY ON THE MOBILE HOME, APPEARS TO HAVE A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION ON IT JUST LIKE A REGULAR HOUSE DOES.  HE SAID HE DROVE THROUGH THE PARK ON SPRING STREET, AND THEY APPEAR TO HAVE INDIVIDUAL UTILITY FEEDS AND THERE WERE TWO ARGUMENTS AT THE LAST MEETING AS TO WHY THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE TRASH PICK UP.

 LIABILITY ISSUE FOR CITY VEHICLES.  HE SAID THE TRANSPORTATION BUS WAS PICKING UP SOMEONE IN THE TRAILER PARK ON 31^ST STREET TODAY.  THE IMPRESSION GIVEN AT THE LAST MEETING WAS THE CITY HAD STOPPED PICKING UP IN THE MOBILE HOME PARK ALONG TIME AGO.  THE STARTED AGAIN IN THE NIPP ADMINISTRATION.  IT STOPPED 2001 AND THEN A CAMPAIGN ISSUE IN 2003.  IN 2004, AFTER NIPP'S ELECTION, TRASH PICK UP BEGAN AGAIN IN THE TRAILER PARK.  HE SAID IT WAS HIS OPINION THAT THEY SHOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE THEIR TRASH PICKED UP LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.  THERE SHOULD BE NO CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT OR FEE FOR SERVICE UNLESS IT IS PASSED FOR EVERYONE.

        COUNCILADY MALONE ASKED STREET COMMISSIONER AYERS IF HE GOT HER MESSAGE THIS MORNING.  SHE SAID THEY ARE STILL HAVING PROBLEM AT CRESCENT CREEK WITH THE TRASH PICK UP.  SHE SAID SHE WAS THERE ON SATURDAY AND THERE WAS TRASH THERE.

        COMMISSIONER AYERS SAID THE MEN HAD PICKED UP THE TRASH ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON.

        COUNCILADY MALONE SAID NO, THEY PICKED IT UP TODAY.  SHE SAID SHE WAS THERE YESTERDAY AND IT HAD NOT BEEN PICKED UP.  SHE SAID THEY TOOK ALL THE TOTES FROM THERE AND NONE OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE TOTES NOW.  THEY PUT THE TRASH BAGS DOWN ON THE PLATFORM WHERE YOU TOLD THEM TO PUT THEM.  THEY DID TAKE THE TRASH THAT WAS ON THE PLATFORM.

       COMMISSIONER AYERS SAID WHAT TRASH WAS THERE TODAY HAD TO BE PUT THERE SINCE FRIDAY.

        COUNCILADY MALONE SAID SHE RECEIVED WORD FROM CHARLES WILSON ON FRIDAY AT 3:00 P.M. AND SAID THEIR TRASH HAD NOT BEEN PICKED UP.  SHE   SAID THE MEN GET OFF AT 3:00 P.M. SO THAT WAS WHY THE TRASH WAS NOT PICKED UP.  SHE SAID SHE WAS THERE SATURDAY AND THE TRASH WAS STILL THERE.  SHE SAID MR. WILSON CALLED HER TODAY AND THEIR TRASH WAS PICKED UP BETWEEN 2:30 AND 3:00 P.M. TODAY.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID HE ASSURED MR. WILSON A WEEK AGO THAT THEY WOULD GO BACK TO THE FORMER WAY OF TRASH COLLECTION, BRINGING THE TRASH TO THE CONCRETE PAD.  THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE EXTRA FRIDAY PICK UP.  WORD DID NOT GET TO ALL OF OUR PEOPLE.  WE HAD TRASH COLLECTORS DOWN THERE ON FRIDAY, HOWEVER, THE TRUCK WAS THERE JUST TO PICK UP THE TRASH FROM THE TOTERS AND ANOTHER TRUCK  RETRIEVED THE TOTERS. HE SAID HE GOT THE INFORMATION THAT THE TRASH HAD NOT BEEN PICKED UP ON FRIDAY.  HE CALLED MR. AYERS TO SEND A TRUCK THAT AFTERNOON.  THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING AMONG THE WORKERS.  FROM NOW ON, AS AGREED, THERE WILL BE AN EXTRA PICK UP ON FRIDAY.

        COUNCILMAN REID SAID THERE ARE A LOT OF HOUSE THAT DOES NOT HAVE TOTERS YET.  COUNCILMAN KIDD IS ONE OF THEM.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID IF THERE IS NOT A TOTER, THE TRASH WILL BE PICKED UP THE OLD FASHIONED WAY.  WE ARE EXCHANGING THE LARGER TOTERS FOR SMALLER ONES.

        COUNCILMAN REID SAID HE HAD RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM A RESIDENT AT 1913 O AVE..  THEIR HOUSE DOES NOT HAVE A STREET FRONTAGE.  THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THEY HAVE TO DRAG THEIR TOTER FOR 300-400 FEET TO THE STREET OR TO BE PICKED UP.  THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY TO PICK UP THE TRASH RATHER THAN DRAGGING IT SO FAR AWAY.

        PRESIDENT YORK SAID THERE IS A STREET (OLD 24^TH ST.) THAT IS BETWEEN HER AND MS. LAVARNWAY, BUT IT APPEARS TO BE AN ALLEY.  THERE IS AN OLD 24^TH AND THEN 24^TH ST OFF GRAND AVE.  THERE ARE ABOUT 5 HOMES DOWN THERE FACING OLD 24^TH.  WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID THEY WERE ESTABLISHING THE EXTRA FRIDAY ROUTE.

        COUNCILMAN KIDD SAID HE HOPED THE TRASH WOULD BE PICKED UP AS IN THE PAST UNTIL A NEW ORDINANCE IS BROUGHT FORTH.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID FOR THE TIME BEING, EVERYTHING WILL STAY THE SAME AS BEFORE. 

 

JOHN HANNING, RESIDENT OF THE MOBILE HOME, APPEARED BEFORE THE COUNCIL, TELLING HE WAS THE ONE THAT CALLED CHANNEL 6 ABOUT THE TOTERS AND HE HAD TRIED SEVERAL TIMES TO TALK TO THE MAYOR AND HIS SECRETARY WOULD NOT LET ME TALK TO HIM.  HE SAID THE TOTERS SHOULD BE ADDED TO TAX STATEMENTS BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY HOUSES NO ONE LIVES THERE.

       MAYOR SMALL SAID WE HAVE TO USE THE UTILITY BILLS BECAUSE WE CAN'T USE THE TAX BILLS.  IF SOMEONE WAS PAYING THE UTILITY BILL, SOMEONE MUST BE LIVING THERE.  HE APOLOGIZED FOR NOT TALKING BUT HE HAD SO MANY AND DID HAVE OTHER WORK TO DO OTHER THAN BE ON THE PHONE ALL DAY.

        MR. HANNING SAID THE CITY WORKERS SHOULD HAVE PUT THE TOTERS TOGETHER AND DISTRIBUTED THEM.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID JUST WHICH CITY EMPLOYEES WOULD YOU DO?

        MR. HANNING SAID THE ONES THAT ARE LAID OFF.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID IF WE WOULD HAVE KEPT THEM, WHERE WOULD WE HAVE GOTTEN THE MONEY TO PAY THEM?

        MR. HANNING SAID THE SAME PLACE YOU WERE GOING TO GET THE MONEY TO BUY THAT OTHER NEW CRUSHER TRUCK THAT WAS IN THE PAPER.

 

COUNCILMAN HAHN ASKED MRS. KIM  RHOADES TO STEP UP TO THE PODIUM.  HE SAID THAT MRS. RHOADES IS THE CHAIRPERSON FOR THE CITIZENS COMMITTEE ON TRASH ISSUES.  HE SAID, WE WILL MEET WITH YOU AFTER THE MEETING.

 

MAYOR SMALL ASKED IF MR. LABOR WAS IN THE AUDIENCE.  NO.  HE SAID ATTORNEY COPENHAVER AND HE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. LABOR ABOUT THE ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING, ROMAN NUMERAL 2H, THIRD PARTY CONTRACTS, UNDER WHICH THE MOBILE HOME PARK WOULD FALL.  WE HAVE SUGGESTED TO HIM, THAT WE COULD GO INTO THE PARK AND PICK UP THE TRASH UNDER TWO CONDITIONS.

1.       A WAIVER OF LIABILITY.  WE WOULD BE TRAVELING ON STREETS THAT

MAY NOT BE UP TO CITY STANDARDS.

2.   WE HAVE PROPOSED TO MR. LABOR THAT THEY PURCHASE THE SIXTY DOLLAR TOTER.  THAT WAS IN THE ORDINANCE, WHICH HAS BEEN TABLED.  THAT IS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

MAYOR SMALL SAID HE WANTED TO OPEN THE FLOOR TO 4 PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO TALK AGAINST THE TOTERS AND KEEP DISCUSSION TO 5 MINUTES EACH.  HE SAID AT PRESIDENT YORK'S SUGGESTION, HAVE A SHOW OF HANDS.  HE ASKED FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN FAVOR OF THE CITY NOT GOING INTO THE MOBILE HOME PARKS TO PICK UP TRASH. -0-

HE ASKED WHO WANTS THE CITY TO PICK UP THE TRASH.  ALMOST EVERYONE IN ATTENDANCE.

 

CONCERNED CITIZENS;

 

MELVIN STULTZ,   F AVE. AND 18^TH ST., SAID SINCE THE STATE HAS REDONE 18^TH ST., THERE IS NO ISLAND TO SET THE TOTE AND HE HAS TO BRING TRASH ACROSS A WALL.   HE SAID HE HAS TO BRING HIS AROUND THE BLOCK TO GET HIS OUT.  HE SAID YOU CAN'T PARK ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE STREET SO THEY PARK IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE.  HE ASKED THE MAYOR FOR A DEFINITION OF CURB SIDE TOTE. 

       MAYOR SMALL SAID AT THE CURB, IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE.  THE TRUCK WILL BE GOING UP AND DOWN THE STREET FOR BOTH SIDES.  WE ASK YOU NOT TO PLACE THE TOTE WHERE THERE MIGHT BE A CAR.

        MR. STULTZ IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE LIABILITY IF SOMEONE WAS TO FALL OVER HIS TOTER AND GET HURT.  HE SAID HE IS LIABLE IF THEY DO GET HURT ON HIS SIDEWALK.  HE ASKED IF HE COULD SIT IT ON THE GRASSY AREA.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID NO.

        PRESIDENT YORK SAID THAT WAS GOING TO BE PART OF THIS NEW ORDINANCE.

THERE MAY HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF COMPROMISE ON THIS.  SHE ASKED IF HE WAS WANTING ALLEY PICK UP.

        MR. STULTZ SAID YES.  HE WANTED THE CITY TO LOOK NICE.  NOT TRASH EVERYWHERE.

        PRESIDENT YORK SAID THEY HAD TO COME TO SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT.  IT IS CONSUMING EVERYBODY. 

        MR. STULTZ SAID TO MAYOR SMALL, IF YOU HELPED CREATE THIS PROBLEM, HE THOUGHT THE MAYOR SHOULD HELP SOLVE IT.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID HE WAS DOING JUST THAT.

 

JOHN STRONG SAID HE FELT THE RESIDENTS OF THE TRAILER PARKS WERE BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST.  HE SAID THEY WERE TREATED AS SECOND CLASS CITIZENS.  HE SAID THEY DESERVED AN APOLOGY FOR THE VIOLATION OF OUR OWN ORDINANCE.  WE NEED TO FOLLOW THE ORDER OF LAW.  WE NEED TO CHANGE IT, NOT VIOLATE IT.

        COUNCILMAN REID SAID HE AGREED WITH MR. STRONG.  THE CHANGES IN THE TRASH ORDINANCE WERE DONE ENTIRELY AT THE MAYOR'S DISCRETION, ACCORDING TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.  THE MAYOR HAS THAT DISCRETION TO IMPLEMENT ORDINANCES AT HIS WHIM, OR NOT IMPLEMENT THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS.  THE COUNCIL WAS NOT CONSULTED ABOUT THE CHANGES IN THE TRASH ORDINANCE.  THE COUNCIL WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE PLANNING AND IMPLEMENTATION OF IT AND HONESTLY, HE THOUGHT A LOT OF THOSE ON THE COUNCIL THERE NEEDED TO BE SOME CHANGES DUE TO BUDGET

RESTRICTIONS AND THE LACK OF MANPOWER.  IN THIS SITUATION, THE CART CAME BEFORE THE HORSE, THERE WAS A CHANGE BEFORE THE ORDINANCES AND THE PLANNING WAS IN PLACE TO DEAL WITH TO PROPERLY IMPLEMENT THOSE CHANGES.  HE SAID IT WENT BACKWARDS IN THAT CASE, SO HE SHARED MR. STRONG'S FRUSTRATION.

        COUNCILMAN HAHN SAID MR. STRONG SAID HE NEEDED AN APOLOGY FROM THE COUNCIL.  HE SAID THE MAYOR IS THE ONE WHO DID THIS WITHOUT OUR OK. 

        MR. STRONG SAID WHEN HE TALKED WITH THE MAYOR LAST WEEK,  HE WAS TOLD THAT THIS WAS NOT ALL THE MAYOR 'S DOING, IT WAS PART OF THE COUNCIL.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID WHEN DID I SAY THAT AND WHERE.

        MR. STRONG SAID IT WAS IN YOUR OFFICE AND YOU SAID IT WAS NOT ALL YOUR DOINGS, OTHER PEOPLE BROUGHT IT ON.  HE SAID TO THE COUNCIL THAT HE APOLOGIZED BUT THAT HE WAS GIVEN THAT INFORMATION.  NOTIFICATION WAS NOT RECEIVED AT THE TRAILER PARK ABOUT THE TRASH PICK UP.  HE SAID HE WOULDN'T SAY THAT NOTIFICATION WAS NOT SENT, BUT IT WAS NOT RECEIVED.

        COUNCILMAN HAHN SAID HE APOLOGIZED FOR THAT.  A LETTER OR SOMETHING SHOULD HAVE BEEN SENT TO YOU.  HE SAID TO MR. STRONG, YOU SAY WE VIOLATE OUR ORDINANCES.  AFTER ALL SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS SIGN AN ORDINANCE; IT GOES TO THE CITY CLERK AND MAYOR'S OFFICE.  THAT SHOULD BE LAW, AND HE AGREED WITH MR. STRONG.  IF THEY DON'T ENFORCE IT, THE COUNCIL, MAYOR AND HIS STAFF BECAUSE WE NEED PEOPLE TO TAKE ACTION.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID YES WE CAN ENFORCE THE CURB ORDINANCE.  METAL CONTAINERS ONLY.  WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE IT.  WE DON'T WANT TO ENFORCE THAT ORDINANCE AT THIS TIME.  SECONDLY, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS NOT PART OF THE CITY.  THAT IS COUNTY.  IF YOU WERE TREATED RUDELY, DON'T COME HERE EXPECTING AN APOLOGY.  AS FOR NOTIFICATION, HE SAID MR. AYERS, I THINK YOU SPOKE WITH SOMEONE AT THE MOBILE PARK.

        COMMISSIONER AYERS SAID AT LEAST 3 OR 4 TIMES. 

        MAYOR SMALL SAID, ME BLAMING THE COUNCIL?  WHAT WE HAVE TO SOLVE BEFORE WE CAN GIVE OUT EXTRA TOTERS, RESOLVE WHO GETS THEIR TRASH PICKED UP.  THAT IS A COUNCIL RESPONSIBILITY.  IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO SUBMIT THE ORDINANCE TO COUNCIL ASKING THAT WE CHARGE PEOPLE X DOLLARS FOR EXTRA TOTERS AND IT IS INDEED COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBILITY TO APPROVE OR DIS APPROVE THAT ORDINANCE.  SO, HE WAS SORRY THAT MR. STRONG MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT HE HAD SAID.

 

ELEANOR CLEVENGER MANAGER OF THE TRAILER PARK ALONG, WITH HER HUSBAND, APPEARED BEFORE THE COUNCIL STATING THAT THEY HAD NOT RECEIVED ANY PHONE CALLS OR NOTIFICATION.  WE GOT UP ONE MORNING AND THE TRASH WAS NOT PICKED UP.  WE CALLED, AND WAS TOLD THAT THEY NO LONGER WOULD BE PICKING UP TRASH IN THE TRAILER PARK.  SHE SAID WE DO NOT LIVE IN TRAILERS, THEY ARE MANUFACTURED HOMES.  MOST ARE ELDERLY AND LIVE ON FIXED INCOMES AND CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE SOMEONE PICK UP THEIR TRASH.  WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD TRASH PICK UP.  IF THEY HAVE TO HAVE A LIABILITY TO COME BACK THERE, HOW'S COME THE FIRST AID UNIT AND FIRE TRUCK COME BACK THERE, THEY SHOULD HAVE LIABILITY?

        MAYOR SMALL SAID THAT COULD BE STOPPED, BUT DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

        MRS. CLEVENGER SAID SHE FEELS AS THOUGH THEY HAVE BEEN TREATED BADLY.  SHE SAID MAYOR SMALL MADE COMMENT THAT THEY WERE NOT RESIDENTS.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID HE APOLOGIZED AND SAID HE DIDN'T SAY THEY WEREN'T RESIDENTS.  HE SAID THEY WERE SPEAKING AT THAT TIME ABOUT THE ZONING LAW OF WHAT IS CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL OR WHAT IS CONSIDERED NON-RESIDENTIAL.  WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ZONING LAWS AT THAT TIME.  THE STATEMENT HE MADE REGARDING MOBILE HOMES IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, HAVE TO HAVE A ZONING EXCEPTION.  THEY ARE NOT AT THAT POINT CONSIDERED RESIDENCES UNTIL YOU GET THAT ZONING EXCEPTION, IF YOU ARE LIVING IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.  HE SAID HE AT NO TIME SAID THAT THEIR HOMES WERE NOT RESIDENCES.  HE SAID HE CHECKED THE MINUTES FROM THAT MEETING AND HE DID NOT SAY THAT.

        MRS. CLEVENGER SAID SHE WANTS THE TRASH COLLECTION AND THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR THE TOTERS.  THEY SHOULD BE FURNISHED BY THE CITY.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID THEY WERE DISCUSSING THAT WITH MR. LABOR AT THIS TIME.  HE SAID FOR HIM TO SAY THAT HE WOULDN'T SEND OUT EMERGENCY SERVICES AT THIS TIME, THAT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS, OF COURSE WE WILL.

        MRS. CLEVENGER SAID BUT THEY COULD GET HURT OUT THERE TO.

        MAYOR SMALL ASKED IF SHE WAS CHALLENGING THAT THEY SHOULD NOT COME IN THERE.

        MRS. CLEVENGER SAID NO, NO.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID WE WOULD SEND THEM IN , IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE BECAUSE LIFE IS INVOLVED AND THERE IS NOTHING MORE PRECIOUS THAN LIFE.

 

MARY STEWART, 303 N. 18^TH ST., SAID SHE CANNOT PURCHASE ANOTHER TOTE.  SHE HAS FIVE CHILDREN AND HER TRASH IS NOT BEING PICKED UP THAT IS SITTING RIGHT BESIDE HER TOTE.  SHE SAID SHE HAS DONE EVERYTHING, WHY CAN'T I GET IT PICKED UP?  SHE SAID SHE NOW HAS ALL KINDS OF BUGS BECAUSE IT JUST SITS.  SHE HAD HER TRASH OUT TODAY AND THE TRASH MEN JUST LOOKED AT IT AND DID NOT PICK IT UP.  IT WAS THE OLD TRASH TRUCK.

SHE HAS A LARGE AMOUNT OF TRASH FROM SUCH A LARGE FAMILY.  WHAT IS SHE TO DO?

       MAYOR SMALL ASKED WHY HER TRASH WAS NOT BEING PICKED UP.

       COMMISSIONER AYERS SAID MAYOR YOU TOLD US NOT TO PICK IT UP IF IT WAS

NOT IN THE TOTER. 

        MAYOR SMALL SAID WE ARE SENDING TRUCKS OUT, AT HIS ORDERS, TO PICK UP THAT TRASH.

         COUNCILMAN REID SAID HE IS ON MONDAY'S PICK UP.  HE SAID THAT EVERYONE IN THE NORTH END DOES NOT HAVE A TOTER,  THOSE WITH LARGE FAMILIES; THEIR TOTERS ARE SO FULL THEY ARE RUNNING OVER.  THOSE PEOPLE DESERVE TO GET THEIR TRASH PICKED UP.  HE SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN BUT THEY NEED THEIR TRASH PICKED UP.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID THAT HIS INSTRUCTIONS HAVE BEEN, UNLESS THEY HAVE BEEN MISUNDERSTOOD, THAT WE WILL PICK UP THE OTHER TRASH, NOT WITH THE TOTER TRUCK, BUT WITH A TRUCK THAT WILL COME BEHIND IT.  THAT HAS BEEN FROM THE GET-GO.  WE HAVE 3 PACKERS PICKING UP THIS TRASH.  WE MUST ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE AS IS NOW.  HOPEFULLY, THIS WILL BE RESOLVED BY THE END OF THE YEAR.  IT WILL TAKE AWHILE TO GET THIS ORDINANCE PASSED.

 

THOMAS COFFEY, TRAILER PARK, BEST PARK IN THE CITY.  HE SAID THEY SPEND THEIR MONEY IN NEW CASTLE AND HE WILL FIGHT FOR HIS HOME.  HE SAID THEY HAVE TRASH LIKE EVERYONE ELSE AND IT NEEDS TO BE PICKED UP BY THE CITY.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID THE CITY IS PICKING UP TRASH IN THE TRAILER PARKS, AS THEY HAVE IN THE PAST.  THEY ARE NOT TRAILERS, THEY ARE MOBILE HOMES.

 

BARBARA WEBSTER, 1805 WASHINGTON STREET, STATED SHE HAS NOT RECEIVED A TOTER.  SHE SAID THAT THERE IS 3 WEEKS WORTH OF TRASH LAYING THERE AND IT STINKS.  SHE SAID SHE RECYCLES.  SHE IS CONCERNED ABOUT RATS, RACCOONS, POSSUMS, SKUNKS ETC.  SHE SAID SHE HAS CALLED EVERYWHERE AND THEY SAY WE WILL PUT YOU ON THE LIST.  WHAT AM I SUPPOSE TO DO.

        COUNCILMAN HAHN SAID HE WOULD BRING HER HIS TRASH CAN TONIGHT.

 

OMAR ROUCHER APPEARED BEFORE THE BOARD ASKING ABOUT LIMBS, LEAVES ETC. HAS ALWAYS BEEN PICKED UP BY THE CITY.  WHAT DO WE DO WITH IT? BURN IT?

        MAYOR SMALL SAID THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN AN ORDINANCE. 

        MR. ROUCHER TOLD MAYOR SMALL THAT BEFORE HE STARTED ANY OF THIS BULL, HE SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT OUT.  DON'T HAVE EVERYONE COMING UP HERE RAISING CANE.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID WE HAD FIVE DAYS, AND YOU DON'T DO MUCH LONG TERM PLANNING IN FIVE DAYS.  WE HAD TO MAKE MAJOR PERSONNEL CUTS THAT WERE ORDERED BY THE STATE, OTHERS WERE REACTION BECAUSE WE WERE LOOSING THAT MONEY AND WE HAD TO GET RID OF PEOPLE, HAD TO LAY THEM OFF.  THEN SERVICES HAD TO BE REDUCED.

        MR. ROUCHER SAID ON 18^TH STREET, THAT WALL THAT WAS BUILT, TEAR THE DAMN THING DOWN.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID, I WISH WE COULD.

 

 

COUNCILMAN KIDD SUGGESTED MORE RECYCLING.

 

JOANN McCORKLE, DIRECTOR FOR THREE RIVERS MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, SAID THEY PROVIDE TWO RECYCLING SITES, ONE AT THE TRANSPORTATION DEPT. AND ONE ON FREE RD. BY THE SEWAGE PLANT.  BEST WAY IS THE COMPANY THAT THEY CONTRACT WITH FOR PICK UP AND RECYCLING.

        COUNCILMAN REID SAID THE SITE AT THE TRANSIT, CLOSES AT 4:00 P.M..  IT IS HARD FOR SOMEONE THAT WORKS LATE SO THERE ONLY OPTION IS TO HAUL IT DOWN TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.  COULD WE HAVE SOME STUCK IN OSBORNE PARK OR SOMEPLACE WHERE THEY HAVE 24 HOUR OPENING SUCH AS THE TREATMENT PLANT?  OR MAYBE LARGER CONTAINERS OR MAYBE  SOME PLACE IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN, SUCH AS IN THE LIBRARY PARKING LOT.

        MRS. McCORKLE SAID THAT WAS VERY FEASIBLE.  SHE SAID THESE SITES ARE FOR RECYCLABLES, NOT TRASH.    SHE SAID CURRENTLY THERE ARE SITES AT EASTWOOD SCHOOL AND RILEY SCHOOL AND WESTWOOD SCHOOL.  SHE SAID ANYONE COULD USE THOSE.

        MAYOR SMALL ASKED IF THERE WAS ANYONE ELSE FROM THE TRAILER PARK WHOM WISHES TO SPEAK.

 

ROBERT RITCHIE, 208 N. 14^TH ST., COMPLAINED ABOUT THE WEEDS.  HE SAID THE APPEARANCE OF THE CITY IS TERRIBLE.  THE WEEDS IN THE CITY PARKING LOT AT THE LIBRARY ARE SO HIGH.  PRISONERS MOW THE PARKS AND THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL.   WANTS PRISONERS TO GO TO ALL EMPTY HOMES AND MOW THE GRASS AND CUT WEEDS.

        MR. RITCHIE WANTS TO SEE THE CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COMPANY WE RECEIVED THE TOTERS AND TRUCKS FROM.

        MAYOR SMALL ASKED MR. HACKER HOW MANY HOMES ARE ON A LIST TO BE MOWED BY PRISONERS?

        MR. HACKER SAID 200.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID THAT THE CONTRACT SAYS THIS COMPANY WILL DELIVER 7,000 OF THE 96 GALLON TOTERS AT A COST OF $60.00 EACH.  THIS INCLUDES DELIVERY, ASSEMBLY AND PUTTING OUT ON THE STREET.  HE SAID THEY HAD AN OFFER FROM G E O TO ASSEMBLE THEM BUT WE CHOSE TO HAVE A LOCAL BUSINESS HERE, WITH LOCAL EMPLOYEES, WHO ARE PAID BY THIS COMPANY TO ASSEMBLE.  ALSO, IN THIS CONTRACT, WE HAVE PURCHASED 1,000 OF THE 48 GALLON TOTERS FOR $54.00 EACH.  HE TOLD MR. RITCHIE HE COULD LOOK AT THE CONTRACT.

 

COUNCILMAN KOGER SAID HE ASKED ABOUT THE CONTRACT AT THE BOARD OF WORKS MEETING ABOUT 4 WEEKS AGO.  THE MAYOR AT THE TIME, DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT BUT RESEARCHED AND HE REFERRED TO IT AS PIGGY-BACK UPON THE CITY OF SEYMOUR.  WHEREVER THE CONTRACT SAID SEYMOUR, IT WAS CHANGED TO NEW CASTLE. 

        MAYOR SMALL SAID HE DID KNOW FROM THE BEGINNING ABOUT THE PIGGY-BACKING.

       COUNCILMAN KOGER SAID WE DID NOT SAVE ANY MONEY BY DOING THAT ACCORDING WHAT HE READ IN THE CONTRACT.

 

JUDY PING, MOBILE HOME PARK, SHE WAS IN FAVOR OF THEIR TRASH BEING PICKED UP.  SHE PAYS HER TAXES AND WANTS TRASH PICK UP.

 

MR. BRUMMET, 2324 C AVE., WANTS THE PARKING ORDINANCE ENFORCED.  HE SAID THERE ARE 2 MONSTER TRUCKS PARKED ON THE STREET AND THERE IS A LADY, VIVIAN BRUMMETT, WHOM HAS HANDICAPPED PARKING IN FRONT OF HER HOME.  HE SAID THIS GUY GOT A HANDICAPPED SIGN FROM SOME WHERE SO HE CAN PARK THERE ANYTIME.  ALSO, HE HAS JUNKED CARS IN HIS BACK YARD WHICH IS IN VIOLATION OF CITY ORDINANCE.  HE SAID THEY HAVE TRIED FOR 3 YEARS TO GET SOMETHING DONE.  FOR SAFETY REASONS, SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE.  HE PARKS THERE TO AGGRAVATE MRS. BRUMMETT.

        COUNCILMAN KIDD SAID THERE IS AN ORDINANCE, PASSED RECENTLY, OF BLOCKING THE VIEW OF DRIVERS AND CAUSING A DANGEROUS SITUATION.  HE SHOULD BE CITED FOR SEVERAL VIOLATIONS.

  

BUD AYERS, STREET COMMISSIONERS, SAID WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR, YOU CAN'T GET.  IF YOU WANT TO PUT OUT MORE MONEY AND MORE PEOPLE, YOU CAN DO IT.  WITH THE HELP WE HAVE, THE EQUIPMENT WE HAVE%u2026%u2026HE WOULD EXPLAIN.  HE SAID THE WORK HE IS DOING NOW, THERE WAS 6 PEOPLE DOING HIS JOB.  HE IS THE STREET COMMISSIONER, WORKING AT THE ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER'S PAY.  HE SAID HE HAS 1 PERSON ANSWERING THE PHONE AND EVERY MORNING HIS VOICE MAIL IS FULL.  HE SAID IF HE GETS A CHANCE DURING THE DAY, HE TAKES THE NUMBERS AND TAKES A HELPER OUT OF THE GARAGE TO ANSWER THOSE CALLS.   HOWEVER, THE TRASH WAS PICKED UP ON FRIDAY MORNING BETWEEN 6:30 AND 7:30.  THOSE TOTES WERE EMPTIED AND LOADED ON A TRUCK.  SO WHATEVER'S TRASH IS THERE%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026

        COUNCILADY MALONE SAID THAT WAS THE TRASH FROM THE WEEK BEFORE.  THAT WAS IN THE TOTER.  SHE SAID THAT WAS THE FRIDAY BEFORE.

        MR. AYERS SAID NO, IT WAS LAST FRIDAY.

        COUNCILADY MALONE SAID THEY DIDN'T PICK UP ANY TRASH THIS FRIDAY.

IT WAS STILL THERE SATURDAY.  SHE SAID SHE SAW IT.

        MR. AYERS SAID IT HAD TO BE PUT OUT AFTER THE TRASH WAS PICKED UP ON FRIDAY MORNING.

        COUNCILADY MALONE SAID MR. WILSON CALLED THE MAYOR, THEN HE CALLED ME AND I CALLED YOU TWICE ON FRIDAY.

        MR. AYERS SAID THE MEN WERE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT PICKED IT UP.  THEY WENT DOWN AROUND 7:00 A.M, EMPTIED THE TOTERS, LOADED THEM ON AND HAULED THEM OFF.  IF THERE WAS TRASH ON THAT PAD, HIS GUYS TOLD HIM THAT IT HAD TO BE PUT OUT AFTER THEY PICKED IT UP.

        COUNCILADY MALONE SAID IT WAS NOT PICKED UP ON FRIDAY BECAUSE MR. WILSON CALLED HER AT 3:00 P.M. AND IT WAS STILL THERE.

        MR. AYERS SAID WHATEVER WAS THERE TODAY, WE GOT IT.

        COUNCILADY MALONE SAID SHE APPRECIATED THE PICK UP TODAY.

        MR. AYERS SAID WE TOLD HIM WE WOULD PICK IT UP ON FRIDAY, AND WE PICKED IT UP ON FRIDAY.

        COUNCILADY MALONE SAID SHE SAW IT THERE SATURDAY.  IT WAS IN BAGS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT YOU SAID TO DO.  THEY HAD ALREADY PICKED UP THE TOTERS.

        COUNCILMAN REID ASKED WHY THE TOTERS WERE PICKED UP.

        MR. AYERS SAID BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT THEM.

        COUNCILADY MALONE SAID THAT COULD BE REMEDIED.  IF YOU WOULD LEAVE 4 TOTERS DOWN THERE ON THAT PAD THAT TRUCK COULD PULL IN LIFT THE TOTE, AND BACK OUT.

        MR. AYERS SAID THE BIG TRUCK WOULD NOT GO IN THERE

        COUNCILADY MALONE SAID IT WOULD GO WHERE THOSE TOTERS ARE.  THEY DON'T HAVE TO CROSS THE BRIDGE.  BARELY IN, THE TOTERS SIT RIGHT THERE, PICK UP AND BACK OUT.

        MR. AYERS SAID HE WANTED TO TELL COUNCILADY MALONE AGAIN, THE TRASH WAS PICKED UP ON FRIDAY.  HE SAID MONDAY'S ROUTE IS THE WHOLE NORTH END.  WE HAVE THE LAVERY SUPER ON THE WEST ROUTE AND A NEW LAVERY SUPER ON THE EAST ROUTE,

THE 2  RETRO'S IN THE MIDDLE, ONE STARTS ON THE NORTH AND ONE ON THE SOUTH.  WE PUT A TRUCK TOGETHER WITH 3 PEOPLE ON IT; SEND THEM TO THE PARKS TO GET TRASH.  THEN WE HAVE NOT DELIVERED OR PICKED UP A TOTER IN THIS TOWN, UNTIL LAST FRIDAY.  THE COMPANY THAT DID THAT WAS BEST EQUIPMENT AND CHIP COMPILED THEIR NAMES.  HE GAVE THE NAMES TO BEST AND THE STREET DEPARTMENT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, UNTIL LAST FRIDAY.  LAST FRIDAY, WE STARTED GIVING OUT TOTERS.  AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE OUT DELIVERING TOTERS.  WE HAD A TRUCK IN BAKER PARK AND HAD TO PULL ONE PERSON OFF OF IT.  HE SAID LIKE THE WOMAN WHO SAID WE DIDN'T GET HER TRASH.  WE NEED 5 OR 10 MORE TRUCKS TO GET HER TRASH BECAUSE WHEN YOU TAKE A TOTER OUT, AND PUT TRASH ON TOP, OR ON THE SIDE OF IT, THEN THE BIG TRUCK COMES BY AND EMPTIES THE TOTER, IF THERE IS NOTHING ON TOP OF IT.  IF THERE IS SOMETHING ON TOP, YOU LEAVE IT.  IF THERE IS SOMETHING ON THE SIDE, HE DOESN'T SHUT THE TRUCK OFF AND GET OUT AND PICK IT UP.  SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER TRUCK COME BY.  WE DON'T HAVE ANY TRUCKS TO RUN BEHIND THE TRUCKS.  WE HAD A TRUCK TODAY MAKING TRASH CALLS.  EXAMPLE, A LADY SAID SHE PUT HER TOTER OUT AND PUT TRASH BESIDE IT.  THE MORE PEOPLE THAT DO THAT, THE FARTHER BEHIND WE GET.  IT IS IMPOSSIBLE.  WE'LL BE HERE THIS TIME NEXT YEAR TRYING TO GET CAUGHT UP.

         COUNCILMAN REID ASKED IF COMMISSIONER AYERS HAD BEEN TOLD NOT TO PICK UP EXTRA TRASH.

         MR. AYERS SAID WE CAN'T%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026

        MAYOR SMALL SAID THERE HAD BEEN A MISUNDERSTANDING AND THEY NEEDED TO TALK PRIVATELY ON THAT.  THE LADIES FROM MY OFFICE HAS BEEN TELLING EVERYONE, WE WILL PICK UP THE TOTER BUT THE SAME TRUCK CANNOT PICK UP THE EXTRA TRASH.  WE WILL GET IT WITH ANOTHER TRUCK.

        MR. AYERS SAID THE MEN ARE DOING THAT BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TRUCKS BEHIND.

      

COUNCILADY MALONE SAID SHE WORKS WITH A GIRL WHO LIVES ON R AVE.  HER TRASH IS PICKED UP ON THURSDAY AND HE TRASH THIS LAST TIME DID NOT GET PICKED UP UNTIL WEDNESDAY BECAUSE THEY ACCIDENTLY SKIPPED HER.  HER TRASH WAS IN THE TOTER, THE LID WAS CLOSED AND SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY EXTRA.  THEY CALLED AND WAS TOLD IT WOULD BE PICKED UP THE NEXT DAY.  IT WASN'T SO HER HUSBAND TALKED TO SOME ONE HE KNEW AT THE STREET DEPARTMENT, RAISING CANE, AND THEY CAME ON WEDNESDAY MORNING AND GOT THEIR TRASH.  THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE 2 WEEKS WORTH OF TRASH.  SHE TOLD MR. AYERS SHE APPRECIATED ALL THE HELP HE GIVES HER.

 

COUNCILMAN REID SAID BEFORE WE WERE AUTOMATED, WE HAD 3 TRUCKS WITH 3 PEOPLE ON IT.  THEY GOT THE ROUTE EACH DAY.  THERE WERE SPARE TRUCKS IN CASE 1 BROKE DOWN.  NOW WE HAVE 2 AUTOMATED TRUCKS, 2 RETRO FIT TRUCKS AND AN OLD STYLE TRUCK AND WE CAN'T KEEP UP.  DOES IT JUST TAKE A LOT LONGER WITH THE TOTERS?  WE HAVE AUTOMATED SYSTEM AND TRASH TOTERS AND IT IS TAKING US 2 OR 3 TIMES LONGER TO GET THE TRASH. 

         MAYOR SMALL SAID IT WILL FOR A MONTH.  THE TOTERS RIGHT NOW, ARE PICKING UP AN ENTIRE ROUTE.  500 PEOPLE ON THE WEST SIDE.  ANOTHER TOTER ON THE EAST SIDE PICKING UP 500.  A ROUTE OF 500 IN THE MIDDLE THAT IS BEING PICKED UP CONVENTIONALLY.  THE TOTER DRIVERS WILL GET UP TO 750 A DAY, EVENTUALLY.   THEY WILL BE ABLE TO HANDLE ALL 3 ROUTES BETWEEN THE 2 TRUCKS, OTHER CITIES GET UP TO 1,000 PER TRUCK PER DAY.  IT IS GOING TO TAKE US A WHILE TO GET THERE.

         COUNCILMAN REID SAID HIS CONCERN WAS WHEN THE WEATHER GETS BAD.

AND WE ARE STILL RUNNING THIS FAR BEHIND,  WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS, TRASH NOT BEING PICKED UP BUT ROADS THAT NEED TO BE CLEANED WHICH MEANS MAYBE OUR FIRE TRUCKS AND POLICE CARS WON'T BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH.  HE SAID HE WAS JUST A LITTLE WORRIED THAT WE GET ALL THE KINKS WORKED OUT BEFORE THE WEATHER GETS BAD.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID THE FIRST WEEK WE WERE SERIOUSLY BEHIND BECAUSE OF PROBLEMS FROM THE PREVIOUS WEEK.  WE ARE PRETTY MUCH CAUGHT UP NOW.  THE KEY IS THE TOTER DRIVERS GET MORE EFFICIENT.  THEN WE WILL DROP A COUPLE OF TRUCKS OFF.  WE WILL STILL HAVE A RETRO FOR THE EXTRA FRIDAY ROUTE AND A SPAR IN CASE OF A PROBLEM WITH ONE OF THE TRUCKS.

 

COUNCILMAN KOGER ASKED HOW MANY NAMES WERE ON THE LIST FOR TOTERS NOW.

        SUPERINTENDENT ENGLAND SAID ABOUT 150.

        COUNCILMAN KOGER ASKED IF A DECISION HAS BEEN MADE ON HOW TO PAY FOR AN EXTRA TOTER?  WILL THIS BE AN ORDINANCE SITUATION FOR US?

        PRESIDENT YORK SAID THAT WAS INCLUDED WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS

WITHDRAWN TONIGHT.

        ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID HE PUT IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WE WOULD SELL THEM FOR THE COST OF $60.00.

        COUNCILMAN KOGER SAID HE WANTED TO KNOW WHO TO CONTACT.  WE NEED

TO KNOW BEFORE .

        MAYOR SMALL SAID ONLY THE CLERK-TREASURER HAS THE AUTHORIZATION TO COLLECT THE MONEY AND ISSUING A RECEIPT.  THEN A COPY TO THE STREET DEPARTMENT.

        COUNCILMAN KOGER SAID IT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE PRETTY QUICKLY.

 

ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID THE ORDINANCE WILL HAVE TO BE PASSED FIRST.  YOU COULD MAKE A MOTION TO SELL ADDITIONAL TOTERS AT THE COST.  YOU ARE ESTABLISHING A COST FOR A COMMODITY.  

        COUNCILMAN REID SAID LAST WEEK WHEN THEY DISCUSSED THIS, YOU STATED THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WAS ABLE TO SELL A COMMODITY AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION. 

        ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID IF YOU FEEL YOU WANT TO SELL ADDITIONAL TOTERS FOR $60.00,  THEN WE WON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE STATE BOARD OF ACCOUNTS.

        PRESIDENT YORK ASKED IF THE VERBIAGE NEEDED TO BE LIKE THE COST OF THESE TOTERS.

        ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID SINCE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT WRITTEN ORDINANCE,  RIGHT NOW YOU WILL SET IT AT $60.00 AND YOU WILL HAVE THE ORDINANCE  BEFORE WE HAVE A PRICE CHANGE.  THAT IS WHAT HE RECOMMENDED.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID THE LARGE ONES ARE $60.00 AND THE 48 GALLON ARE  $54.00.  THOSE WHO HAVE THE LARGE TOTER MAY ONLY NEED THE 48 GALLON.

        COUNCILMAN REID SAID THERE WERE TWO OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO GO ALONG WITH THIS.  HE SAID HE BELIEVES IT NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN.

        1.       WHO OWNS THOSE TOTERS?

  2.       PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO ACQUIRE ONE FROM A THIRD PARTY,

 

MAYOR SMALL SAID YOU CAN GET ONE AT LOWE'S FOR $90.00.

 

ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID YOU DON'T WANT TO CREATE A MARKET FOR TOTERS.  BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT.  YOU DON'T WANT TO CREATE A MARKET FOR STOLEN TOTERS.  IF WE UNDER SELL RETAIL STORES, WE CAN PREVENT A THEFT PROBLEM.

       ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID HE KNEW THAT HE SAID THAT LAST WEEK BUT WAS UNAWARE OF ANY COMMODITY THAT THE CITY SELLS WHERE THE COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE THE PRICE.  HE SAID ALSO THE DISCUSSION WAS WHAT HAS TO THE TOTER IF YOU MOVE.  HIS OPINION WAS IT SHOULD STAY WITH THE PROPERTY BUT THEY BELONG TO THE PERSON WHO PAYS FOR IT.  IF YOU BUT A HOUSE, YOU COULD SAY, LEAVE THE TOTER.

        PRESIDENT YORK SAID SHE HAD DONE RESEARCH AND EVERY OTHER CITY WHO HAS TRASH ORDINANCES STATES THE TOTERS ARE THE PROPERTY OF THE CITY.  SOME CITIES SOLD THEIRS FOR $90.00 AND ALL HAVE GOT BASICALLY 1 TOTER.

        ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID IF YOU WANTED TO PASS THIS TONIGHT, THAT WOULD ESTABLISH THE COST.

        COUNCILMAN HAHN ASKED IF THE PRICE HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED BY THE COMPANY.

        ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID THIS WOULD BE FOR AUTHORIZATION TO COLLECT THE MONEY.  YOU AUTHORIZE THE SALE AND COLLECTION OF THE MONEY.  WE DON'T SELL COMMODITIES.

        COUNCILMAN HAHN SAID WE DIDN'T AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO BUT THEM.

        COUNCILMAN REID SAID THAT JENA HAD DONE A SURVEY AND GAVE TO ALL.  ANDERSON  OFFERS 2 TOTERS AND 2 RECYCLE BINS FOR EACH HOUSEHOLD.  CHARGING A FEE.  MUNCIE, 2 TOTERS FOR FREE AND A $5.00 FEE FOR RENT OF ADDITIONAL TOTERS.  HE SAID HE WAS UNCOMFORTABLE AFTER THE WHOLE THING THAT HAPPENED AFTER THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.  HE DIDN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT WASN'T WRITTEN AND WENT THROUGH THE NORMAL COUNCIL ORDINANCE PROCESS.

       

PRESIDENT YORK SAID THAT UNTIL THIS IS RESOLVED, EVERY BODY'S TRASH IS GOING TO BE PICKED UP.  IF IT IS NOT%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026.

 

ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID HE SUGGESTED THAT TONIGHT BECAUSE HE KNEW HIS WIFE HAS BEEN BUGGING HIM FOR A SECOND TOTER.  HE WAS SURE THERE ARE A LOT OF WIVES WANTING TO BUY A SECOND TOTER.

 

CHRISTIAN MILLER, NORTH MAIN ST., WHAT HAPPENS IF THAT TOTE IS STOLEN?

DO WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT?

         MAYOR SMALL SAID NO.  REPORT TO POLICE AND THE CITY WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER ONE FOR REPLACEMENT.

        COUNCILMAN KOGER SAID HIS ONLY CONCERN WAS WHEN A CITIZEN CALLS, WHO DO WE CALL?  DO WE WANT TO BUG YOU, NO.  IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A DEDICATED LINE TO HAVE EVERYONE CALL FOR TRASH AND GET A RESPONSE.  THAT MAY SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS.  HE TOLD MAYOR SMALL HE HAS HAD SINCE MAY 1, TO GET SOMETHING IN ORDER, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO BE HERE ON AUGUST 17^TH STILL TALKING ABOUT IT.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID ALL OTHER CITIES HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO INCORPORATE 1 ROUTE AT A TIME.  WE HAD TO DO 15 ROUTES AT ONE TIME AND STILL 13.  CATCHING UP.

 

JOHN HANNING SAID HE WANTED TO BRAG ON OUR E M S.  HE SAID THEY ARE THE FINEST IN THE COUNTRY.

 

MARY LOGAN SAID SHE WAS THERE TO TALK ABOUT THE L O I T TAX.  SHE SAID IT WAS FOR OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES.  IT IS A $.50 TAX ON EVERY HUNDRED DOLLARS OF YOUR INCOME.  IT GOES TO FUND THESE DEPARTMENTS.  WE NEED TO LET THE COUNTY COUNCIL KNOW THAT WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS TAX WE MUST SUPPORT THIS TAX SO WE DON'T HAVE TO LAY OFF ANY POLICE, FIRE OR EMS PERSONNEL.

        MAYOR SMALL SAID IF YOU DON'T HAVE INSURANCE, YOU WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF BY OUR FIRST AID UNIT.  WE DO RECEIVE REIMBURSEMENT FROM OUR INSURANCE AT ABOUT 80%.  20% COMES OUT OF THE TAX PAYERS MONEY.  OUR NON-EMERGENCY SERVICES ARE DOWN TO BARE SKELETON LEVEL.  2 MEN IN THE PARKS, 2 MEN IN THE CEMETERY, IN THE BUILDING COMMISSIONERS OFFICE IS DOWN TO THE COMMISSIONER AND 1 CLERK.  WE CANNOT CUT ANYTHING FROM EMERGENCY SERVICES.  BUT, IF THE COUNTY DOES NOT PASS THE L O I T TAX,  WE ARE ASSUMING THAT IT WILL PASS.  THE CITY VOTED IN FAVOR, BUT IF THEY DON'T WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT $500,000.00 FROM NEXT YEARS BUDGET.  THERE IS ONLY ONE PLACE TO LOOK NOW.  THE EMERGENCY SERVICES.

 

 

PRESIDENT YORK MOVED FOR ADJOURNMENT.

COUNCILMAN REID: SECOND.