COUNCIL MEETING
AUGUST 3, 2009 7:00 P.M.
THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WAS GIVEN BY ALL IN ATTENDANCE.
PRAYER WAS GIVEN BY PASTOR STEPHEN GALLOWAY, FIRST ASSEMBLY OF GOD CHURCH.
MAYOR SMALL OPENED THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE COMMON COUNCIL.
ROLL CALL:
SANDY YORK PRESENT
ANGIE GOODMAN PRESENT
JAMES KIDD PRESENT
MARY MALONE PRESENT
MARK KOGER PRESENT
VAUGHN REID PRESENT
RICHARD HAHN ABSENT
MAYOR SMALL ANNOUNCED THAT THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING THE NEW CASTLE STORM WATER IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. MAYOR SMALL INTRODUCED MR. KENT ANDERSON FROM KENNA CONSULTING AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM UNITED ENGINEERING.
MR. ANDERSON PRESENTED A BROCHURE AND TALKED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF THE GRANT REQUEST, THE CITY APPLYING TO THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY AND RURAL AFFAIRS (OCRA) THROUGH THEIR COMMUNITY FOCUS FUND GRANT PROGRAM FOR THE MAXIMUM GRANT AMOUNT OF $600,000.00. THE CITY OF NEW CASTLE WILL BE COMMITTING $760,979.00 IN LOCAL STORM WATER FUNDS AND AN EXISTING SANITARY SEWER BOND. THE TOTAL PROJECT COST WILL BE $1,360,979.00. THE PURPOSE OF THE NEW CASTLE STORM WATER PROJECT IS TO ADDRESS GENERAL FLOODING PROBLEMS, REDUCE DRAINAGE THAT DISCHARGES INTO THE COMBINED SEWERS AND ELIMINATE HEALTH HAZARDS FROM FLOODING OF COMBINED SEWERS. THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS IS NORTH, EAST, WEST AND SOUTH ARES OF THE CITY. A PORTION OF THE PROJECT WILL CONNECT TO A STORM SEWER RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED BY INDOT WITH THE STATE ROAD 103 PROJECT. THE INCOME SURVEY THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND THE STORM WATER PROJECT AREA QUALIFIES FOR GRANT FUNDS AT 52.60% LOW AND MODERATE INCOME. THE CITY HAD TO BE AT LEAST 51% TO QUALIFY.
MR. ANDERSON SAID THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PROPOSED OCRA GRANT SCHEDULE WHICH WILL BE, THE PROPOSAL DUE ON AUGUST 14, 2009. THE APPLICATION WILL BE DUE ON OCTOBER 2, 2009 AND THE GRANT AWARD WILL BE NOVEMBER 27, 2009.
ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THE PLAN WILL BE APPROVED. THIS IS AN OUTSIDE FUNDING THAT WILL MAKE MORE FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR OTHER PROJECTS. THIS IS ONE CHAPTER OF A BOOK. HE SAID THERE WAS NO WAY THAT THE CITY COULD DO THE WHOLE BOOK AT ONCE. IT HAS TO BE DONE IN BITS AND PIECES FOR AWHILE.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID THAT THE CITY HAS BORROWED FROM THE STORM WATER FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. THAT HAS TO STOP. HE ASKED IF THE GRANT APPLICATION TOOK THAT IN ACCOUNT. HE SAID WE CAN'T BORROW FROM THAT ACCOUNT AGAIN.
ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID THE CITY HAS BORROWED FROM STORM WATER AND NOW STORM WATER MONEY IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE SPENT FOR WHAT IT WAS INTENDED. THE CITY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BORROW FROM STORM WATER AND GET THAT INTEREST FREE MONEY.
ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID THE THING THAT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED IS HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO DO. IF YOU RECALL, WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE 100% SEPARATION. YOU REACH A POINT IN YOUR CALCULATIONS WHERE YOU SAY FINANCIALLY, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO GO THE LAST 10% OF THE COST OF GETTING THAT LAST BIT OF SEPARATION, IT IS NOT JUSTIFIED. WE PICK A FIGURE FOR THE RATE PAYERS, WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD TO PAY, THAT IS THE KEY. WILL THEY MAKE US DO WHAT WE HAVE ASKED OR MAKE USA DO MORE.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID WE RECEIVED A RATE STUDY LAST YEAR OF THE RATES FOR WATER, SEWER AND STORM WATER. THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN UPON THAT. AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ACT UPON IT. AFTER THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, WE MAY HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER RATE STUDY AND THAT COST ROUGHLY $70,000.00. WE CAN'T WAIT FOR ANOTHER STUDY.
MS4 BOBBY YORK SAID HE DID NOT SEE A RATE INCREASE TO BE NEEDED AT THIS TIME.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID WE HAVE TO BE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH CASH TO MEET THE MATCHES. WE CANNOT GO INTO MORE DEBT ON THE UTILITY SIDE AND THE LEVY SIDE. WE MUST MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH CASH FLOW. WE CANNOT GO OUT AND BORROW MORE MONEY.
MAYOR SMALL SAID THE SOONER WE GET STARTED, THE BETTER. WE HAVE MADE MAJOR STRIDES IN THE SEPARATION. AS SOON AS WE CAN TIE SUNNYSIDE INTO IT, THERE WILL BE A DECREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF WATER GOING INTO BLUE RIVER.
RESOLUTION:
AUTHORIZING THE FILING OF AN APPLICATION FOR A GRANT UNDER SECTION 5311 OF THE FEDERAL TRANSIT ACT, AS AMENDED WAS READ IN FULL BY SANDY YORK.
PRESIDENT YORK MOVED TO PASS THIS RESOLUTION. COUNCILADY GOODMAN: SECOND.
DISCUSSION:
COUNCILMAN REID SAID A FEW MONTHS AGO WE PASSED A RESOLUTION ANTICIPATING A STIMULUS GRANT FOR THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT. DID THE GRANT MONEY COME THROUGH?
TRANSPORTATION MANAGER THORNHILL SAID THE MONEY HAS TO BE SPENT
FIRST. WE HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN APPROVAL TO DO THAT YET. SHE SAID THE MONEY WOULD COME IN TWO PHASES. PHASE 1 WOULD BE FOR EQUIPMENT AND PHASE 2 FOR THE PARKING LOT REPAIR AND RESURFACE, PLUS OTHER REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENTS.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID HE WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF FUNDING THE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM. WE OWE SO MUCH MONEY, AS IT IS; HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE WE GET PAID BACK AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.
PRESIDENT YORK SAID SHE UNDERSTOOD WHERE COUNCILMAN REID WAS COMING FROM ABOUT THE TRANSFER FROM PERPETUAL MAINTENANCE TO TRANSPORTATION, BUT SHE HAS NEVER HAD TO UTILIZE IT.
ROLL CALL VOTE: SIX VOTES AYE. PASSED AND ORDERED.
ORDINANCE #3576
SALARY ORDINANCE FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS WAS READ IN FULL ON FIRST READING BY SANDY YORK.
PRESIDENT YORK MOVED TO PASS THIS ORDINANCE WITH NO PAY INCREASES OR CHANGES. COUNCILMAN KIDD: SECOND ROLL CALL VOTE: SIX VOTES AYE. PASSED AND ORDERED.
ORDINANCE #3577
SALARY ORDINANCE FOR CLERK-TREASURER'S OFFICE WAS READ IN FULL ON FIRST READING BY SANDY YORK.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS DID NOT RECEIVE COPIES OF THAT ORDINANCE.
COUNCILMAN REID MADE THE MOTION TO TABLE THIS ORDINANCE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. COUNCILMAN KOGER; SECOND. ROLL CALL VOTE; SIX VOTES AYE. TABLED.
COUNCIL REPORTS:
PRESIDENT YORK SAID SHE HAD A REQUEST FROM A GENTLEMAN WHO LIVES AT 205 N. 20TH STREET FOR A HEARING IMPAIRED SIGN AND A HIDDEN DRIVE. SHE ASKED THAT THIS REQUEST BE GIVEN TO THE TRAFFIC COMMITTEE.
COUNCILADY GOODMAN THANKED EVERYONE FOR THE CARDS AND FLOWERS AND TOLD ABOUT THE BIRTH OF HER NEW BABY GIRL, AVERY MARIE. CONGRATULATIONS WERE GIVEN BY EVERYONE.
COUNCILADY GOODMAN SAID SHE HAD PUT TOGETHER A LIST ABOUT TRASH PICK UP FROM INFORMATION THEY RECEIVED LAST FALL. SHE SAID MAINLY FURNITURE, LARGE APPLIANCES, CARPETS, ETC. WAS PICKED UP BY THE FLAT BED TRUCKS. SHE SAID SHE WANTED TO KNOW WHO WAS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE ON THE TRUCK. SHE SAID SHE FIGURED, FROM A LIST GIVEN, A CHAIR MAY COST $35.00 TO BE PICKED UP. SHE SAID SHE WENT TO OTHER COMMUNITIES ON THE WEB SITE TO SEE WHAT THEY ARE DOING. SHE THOUGHT A FLAT $10.00 FEE WOULD DO IT. THIS WOULD COVER THE OVER ALL LOSS IN THE BUDGET.
SHE SAID SHE HAD RECEIVED CALLS ABOUT CRITTERS LIVING IN THE TRASH THAT HAD BEEN SITTING FOR A MONTH OR MORE. SHE SAID SHE KNEW THAT OVER 50% OF OUR POPULATION IS MODERATE TO LOW INCOME. SHE SUGGESTED THAT THEY RUN THE FLAT BED ONCE A MONTH AND CHARGE $1.00. THIS WOULD BRING IN $7,300.00 MONTHLY. SHE SAID SHE WANTED TO OPEN THIS UP FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION. SHE SAID THE ORDINANCE THAT MAYOR SMALL REFERENCED AT THE LAST MEETING, 3564, THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE THAT WAS WRITTEN, THAT WAS SOME OF THE COUNCIL'S CONCERN. WHO WAS GOING TO DECIDE WHAT WAS 75 POUNDS BUT IF WE DO A NOMINAL FEE, MAYBE THAT COULD BRANCH OUT TO THE CURB SIDE RECYCLING. IF WE ARE NOT WILLING TO DISCUSS THIS, THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE SHOULD NOT PUSH IT ANY FURTHER.
COUNCILMAN REID ASKED ATTORNEY COPENHAVER, CITY'S LEGAL COUNCIL,
IF HE WOULD EXPLAIN TO THE COUNCIL AND PUBLIC OF THE RECOURSE A CITIZEN HAS IN CITY COURT AS FOR AS FILING AN AFFIDAVIT OR SUING THE CITY TO FORCE THEM TO COMPLY WITH THEIR CURRENT AND EXISTING TRASH COLLECTION ORDINANCES.
ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID HE DIDN'T THINK THAT CITY COURT HAS JURISDICTION TO HANDLE THAT CASE. HE SAID HE WAS SURE THAT CITY COURT WOULD NOT HAVE JURISDICTION TO HEAR A CASE, A CIVIL SUIT, AGAINST A PUBLIC ENTITY WHETHER IT BE THE CITY OR COUNTY. THAT IS BEYOND its STATUTORY JURISDICTION. CAN SOMEONE BRING SUIT AGAINST THE CITY FOR FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH A PROVISION WITH its ORDINANCES?
HE SAID HE WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT, NOT A COP OUT, JUST A TRUE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. GENERALLY, THE ENFORCEMENT OF ORDINANCES IS DISCRETIONARY. EXAMPLE%u2026%u2026.. IT IS NOT A DEFENSE TO DO A SPEEDING TICKET THAT SOMEONE ELSE SPED THROUGH AN AREA AND DIDN'T GET A TICKET, BUT YOU DID. ENFORCEMENT IS DISCRETIONARY. COULD THE CITY BE COMPELLED THROUGH A CLASS ACTION SUIT TO CONDUCT SOME ACTIVITY THAT IT WAS NOT CONDUCTING? HE SAID HE WAS NOT AWARE OF ANY CASE LAW THAT WOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT. HE SAID HE WASN'T SAYING THAT IT COULDN'T BE DONE.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID, IF THE COUNCIL FEELS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS NOT PROPERLY IMPLEMENTING ITS TRASH ORDINANCES, WHAT RECOURSE DO WE HAVE TO FORCE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CURRENT ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS?
ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID THERE ARE WAYS MORE EFFICIENT AND FAR MORE DIRECT TO DEAL WITH THAT KIND OF QUESTION, THAN A LAW SUIT THAT COULD TAKE, LONGER THAN YOUR TERM OR LONGER AND COST THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. THE EFFICIENT WAY IS THE ONLY WAY WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS. YOU ARE THE FISCAL BODY OF THIS CITY AND THAT IS WHERE YOU CONTROL THE CITY. YOU'RE COMING UP ON A BUDGET TIME. YOU HAVE THAT DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET TO CONSIDER.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID THAT CITY CODE 95.15 STATES THAT ALL THE GARBAGE CANS NEED TO BE METAL. THIS NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. 95.25 STATES THE CITY WILL SYSTEMATICALLY, COLLECT, REMOVE, DISPOSE OF ALL TRASH OF ALL THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY, EXCEPT WHICH IS OTHERWISE PROVIDED IN THIS CHAPTER. THERE WERE SOME EXCEPTIONS FOR MEDICAL WASTE AND THAT SORT OF THING. CITY CODE 95.29 SAYS THAT BASICALLY THE CITY WON'T REMOVE TRASH FROM PUBLIC EATING HOUSES, GROCERY STORES, MARKETS, RAILROAD CARS, FACTORY OR SOME OTHER COMMERCIAL OR PUBLIC ESTABLISHMENT. IT SHALL BE THE DUTY OF SUCH ESTABLISHMENT TO REMOVE SUCH TRASH AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE. CITY CODE 95.30 STATES, ALL ITEMS OF TRASH THAT ARE NOT READILY CONTAINED IN A TRASH CONTAINER SUCH AS CLIPPINGS, TREE LIMBS AND SIMILAR TRASH SHALL BE TIED IN BUNDLES WHICH WILL NOT EXCEED THREE FEET IN DIAMETER AND NOT OVER 75 POUNDS. CITY CODE 95.27 SAYS THAT ALL GARBAGE AND TRASH CONTAINERS WILL BE PLACED IN THE ALLEY, ADJACENT TO THE PREMISES, THE OWNER THEREOF ABU DING UPON SUCH ALLEY AND SUCH POINT SHALL BE FARTHEST REMOVED FROM THE DWELLING HOUSE OR LEAST LIABLE TO BECOME OBNOXIOUS TO ANY OF THE INHABITANTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROVIDING THAT THE CONTAINERS DO NOT BLOCK TRAFFIC THROUGH SUCH ALLEY. GARBAGE AND TRASH CONTAINERS MAY BE PLACED UPON THE INSIDE OF THE PREMISES IN THE REAR THEREOF PROVIDED THE SAME OR MADE EASILY ACCESSIBLE BY THE GARBAGE AND TRASH COLLECTOR BY CONVENIENT DOOR OR GATE. IF THERE IS NO ALLEY ABUTTING THE PREMISES, SUCH RESIDENT SHALL PLACE THE CONTAINER ON HIS OWN PREMISES OR THE PARKWAY, BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND CURB, WHERE THE SAME SHALL BE
EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO THE GARBAGE AND TRASH COLLECTOR AND LEAST OBNOXIOUS TO NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID, HERE IS MY CONCERN. WE HAVE RECEIVED DOCUMENTATION OF WHAT THE NEW TRASH PICKUP %u2026..1. THE CITY WILL NO LONGER PICK UP IN THE ALLEYS. PICK UP ONLY WHAT IS IN THE GREEN TOTERS. THE CITY WILL NOT BE PICKING UP ANY EXTRA TRASH BE THAT LIMBS OR WHATEVER. ALSO THE CITY IS CEASING CLEAN OUTS. THERE HAS BEEN A DECISION OF WHAT LEVEL OF RESIDENTIAL RENTING TYPE PLACE THE CITY WILL COLLECT FROM. HE SAID AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, HIS CONCERN WAS THAT THE TRASH PICK UP IS NOT BEING HANDLED PROPERLY. BOTH IN EXECUTION AND THE MANNER THAT IT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED AND WHAT THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN. UNTIL THERE IS SOME SERIOUS CHANGES, HE SAID HE WASN'T WILLING TO SUPPORT ANY FEES AT THIS POINT. HE ASKED THAT THE COUNCIL MEET IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO TALK ABOUT THE CONTRACTUAL AND LEGAL RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THE COUNCIL HAS TO DEFEND THE CITY'S CODE AND RIGHT OF THE CITIZENS.
COUNCILMAN KIDD SAID ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS GET COPIES OF THE TRASH ORDINANCE. STUDY THAT ORDINANCE AND IF WE NEED AN EXECUTIVE MEETING TO DISCUSS THIS. HE SAID HE DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING IN THE CODE THAT NOTHING ELSE CAN BE PICKED UP OTHER THAN WHAT IS IN THE TOTE. EXTRA SUCH AS COUCHES, BRUSH, ETC. IS COVERED BY ORDINANCE. IF WE DO NOT PICK UP THINGS OUTSIDE THE TOTE, WE ARE BREAKING THE ORDINANCE. WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND DISCUSS AND COME UP WITH%u2026%u2026%u2026
COUNCILMAN KOGER SAID THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST TWO MONTHS. HE SAID WE HAVE JUMPED THE GUN ON THIS TOTE THING AND THAT WAS OUR CONCERN FROM THE GET GO. WE ARE THE ONES GETTING ALL THE REBUTTAL FROM THIS. HE SAID TO THE MAYOR, WE TRIED TO GET YOU TO PUT THIS ON THE BACK BURNER BUT YOU WENT AHEAD AND DID IT. NOW WE ARE STUCK. WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE BUT ARE NOT ABIDING BY IT.
HE MADE A MOTION TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE MEETING NEXT MONDAY AT 6:00 P.M..
ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID HE HAD TO JUMP IN TO TELL YOU THAT AN EXECUTIVE SESSIONS ARE%u2026..THE REASON FOR EXECUTIVE SESSIONS ARE NUMERATED BY STATUTE. HE SAID WHAT HE PROPOSED WAS IF YOU ALL WANT TO MEET IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, GET WITH HIM AND GIVE A REASON FOR THE SESSION AND MAKE SURE IT COMPLIES WITH THE STATUTE, SO WE CAN SEND OUT THE PROPER NOTICE. IF IT DOESN'T THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO DO IT IN A PUBLIC MEETING.
COUNCILMAN KOGER SAID IF THEY WERE GOING TO DISCUSS CERTAIN ORDINANCES OR ISSUES.
ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID THAT IS WHAT HE NEEDED TO KNOW FROM COUNCIL. TELL ME INDIVIDUALLY, NOT AS A GROUP. THEN I CAN SEE IF IT MEETS THE STATUTE. IF YOU PASS A RESOLUTION, TO MEET IN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS TRASH PICK UP, THAT VIOLATES THE OPEN DOOR LAW.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID HE THOUGHT WHAT THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS POSSIBLE LITIGATION. CONTRACTUAL ISSUES WITH THE TRASH, PURCHASE/LEASE.
ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID YOU CAN TALK ABOUT CONTRACTUAL NEGOTIATIONS AND POTENTIAL LITIGATION. THOSE ARE PROPER THINGS TO DISCUSS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
COUNCILMAN KIDD SAID THAT IS WHY THE TRASH ORDINANCE SHOULD BE STUDIED. IRON OUT SOME ISSUES.
COUNCILMAN KOGER SAID HE WOULD RESCIND HIS MOTION.
COUNCILADY MALONE SAID SHE HAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TRASH AND THAT SHE HAS RECEIVED A LOT OF CALLS.
COUNCILMAN KOGER SAID THAT EVERYTHING REVOLVES AROUND TRASH. ONE QUESTION STATED THAT SOME FAMILIES NEED MORE THAN ONE TOTER. THE CITY IS CHARGING $60.00.
MAYOR SMALL SAID THAT AMOUNT HAS NOT BEEN SET YET. THE AMOUNT WILL BASED UPON THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING.
COUNCILMAN KOGER SAID HE DIDN'T BELIEVE YOU COULD CHARGE WITHOUT AN ORDINANCE.
ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID IF YOU HAVE A COMMODITY THAT YOU ARE SELLING, YOU CAN CHARGE FOR A COMMODITY, YOU CAN'T HAVE A FEE FOR SOMETHING WITHOUT AN ORDINANCE. SELLING A TRASH CAN FOR THE COST OF THE TRASH CAN; YOU CAN DO THAT WITHOUT AN ORDINANCE.
COUNCILADY MALONE SAID SHE KNEW THE TOTER HAS AN IDENTIFICATION NUMBER ON THEM.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID LOOKING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN, 15 TO 20 PERCENT HAS NOT RECEIVED TOTERS. WHEN THEY WERE DELIVERED, THEY WERE DUMPED ON A CORNER AND THERE FOR 4 DAYS. HE SAID HIS TRASH HAS NOT BEEN PICKED UP YET TODAY. HE SAID HE AND HIS WIFE RECYCLE AND THERE ARE TWO OF THEM. HE ASKED ABOUT WEEKS OF EXTRA TRASH SUCH AS CHRISTMAS. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE EXTRA? FRUSTRATING. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN WORKED THROUGH. THE COUNCIL IS ABOUT AT its BREAKING POINT. THERE ARE GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES MADE BY THE COUNCIL. CHANGES THAT MOST PEOPLE WILL NOT LIKE.
PRESIDENT YORK SAID HER PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING THAT THE TRASH IS NOT BEING PICKED UP IN A TIMELY MANNER. SHE SAID THAT ONE TOTER MAY NOT BE ENOUGH FOR MOST FAMILIES. WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT WAYS TO PAY FOR THE EXTRA TOTERS. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER TO ACCOMPLISH GOOD THINGS SUCH AS THE POOL. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE THAT ARE FINANCIALLY STRAPPED AND HELP OUT.
MAYOR SMALL SAID HE WANTED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES. THE REASON WE WENT TO AUTOMATED TRASH COLLECTION WAS NOT AN ARBITRARY DECISION. IT WAS TO CUT THE BUDGET. WE ARE CUTTING THE STREET DEPARTMENT BUDGET BY $140,000. THIS YEAR AND EXPECTING TO CUT $150,000. NEXT YEAR. WE HAD A MAJOR CUT IN MVH AND WE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO LAY OFF 5 PEOPLE BECAUSE OF IT. WE LAID OFF AN ADDITIONAL 3 IN THE STREET DEPARTMENT, WITH EVERYONE ELSE GETTING JOBS IN THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT. HE SAID WE DO NEED A TRASH ORDINANCE. THE ONE WE HAD BEFORE WAS NOT ACCURATE WITH WHAT WE WERE DOING BEFORE. WE NEED TO PICK UP THE BULK TRASH. A DEMONSTRATION WAS HELD AT THE LIBRARY LAST WEEK; IT WAS CALLED A LIGHTING TRUCK. ONE MAN OPERATION, PICKS UP PIANOS, SOFAS, MATTRESSES, PUTS THEM IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK. THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO HAVE AT $20,000.00 PER YEAR ON A LEASE PURCHASE. WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE 3-6 MEN ON FLAT BEDS. OTHER CITIES HAVE SHOWN THEY CAN HANDLE ALL THIS BULK TRASH. THERE WILL BE A LIGHTNING TRUCK AT THE STREET DEPARTMENT AT 10:00 A.M. TOMORROW FOR A DEMONSTRATION. WITH THAT LIGHTNING TRUCK AND NO ADDITIONAL PEOPLE, HE THOUGH WE COULD PICK UP THE BULK TRASH.
COUNCILADY GOODMAN COMMENTED THAT THE TRANSITION WAS BRINGING ON PROBLEMS AND QUESTIONS. THE PHONE CALLS WE ARE RECEIVING IS PART OF OUR JOB. SHE DID NOT THINK LITIGATION IS CALLED FOR AT ALL. SHE SAID HER MAIN QUESTION SHE IS ASKED IS, IF THE TRUCK IS NOT ABLE TO GO DOWN THE ALLEY, WHERE DOES THE TRASH GO NOW?
MAYOR SMALL SAID WE ARE PICKING UP TRASH IN ALLEYS. CERTAIN AREAS BECAUSE SOME ROADS ARE NOT WIDE ENOUGH TO GO DOWN AND SOME ARE ONE WAY STREETS, MAINLY FROM SOUTH OF A AVE. TO I AVE., 16TH ST ON THE WEST SIDE TO 25TH STREET. THERE WILL BE MORE CHANGES SUCH AS LINCOLN AVE. WE ARE SYMPATHETIC TO THE ELDERLY AND HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DOCTOR'S CERTIFICATE THAT THEY CANNOT TAKE THE TOTE TO THE CURB, THEN WE WOULD KEEP THE SAME POLICY GOING. HE SAID WE NEED A NEW TRASH ORDINANCE. RATHER COMING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION OR PRIVATE MEETINGS OR WHAT. THIS IS HOW WE ARE SAVING MONEY AND IF WE DON'T DO IT THIS WAY, WE GO BACK TO THE OLD AND MAKE MAJOR LAY OFFS SOMEWHERE ELSE. OUR TRUCKS ARE WEARING OUT. WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH 3 PACKERS LAST WEEK AND THAT STARTED THE DOMINO EFFECT. WE NEED NEW TRASH TRUCKS AND WE OPTED TO BUY THE AUTOMATED TRASH TRUCKS.
MAYOR SMALL SAID THE COUNCIL HAD TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT AND THEN AN ORDINANCE IN TWO WEEKS ON WHOM WE ARE GOING TO PICK UP AND WHO WE ARE NOT. (A LIST WAS GIVEN TO THE COUNCIL WHO IS COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL OR WHAT.) EACH PERSON WHO GETS A UTILITY BILL WAS TO GET A TOTER. MANY HOUSES ARE DUPLEXES, WITH ONE WATER METER, SO WE GAVE ONE TOTER. HE SAID THEY HAD 300 CALLS TODAY.
MAYOR SMALL SAID SHOULD WE CHARGE FOR TOTERS.
ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO MAKE A DECISION ON CHARGING AND GIVE HIM THE GO AHEAD FOR AN ORDINANCE, THEY CERTAINLY COULD AND HE WOULD HAVE IT READY FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
PRESIDENT YORK SAID ON THE APARTMENTS, DOES THAT COME UNDER ZONING?
ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID THE TRASH ORDINANCE DOES NOT DEFINE
COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL. HE SAID HE TOLD THE MAYOR TODAY, ONE WAY TO DEFINE IT WAS TO LOOK AT THE ZONING. IF THE AREA IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL, THEN THAT USE IS ALLOWED IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONING WITHOUT A VARIANCE OR A CHANGE OF ZONING THEN IT IS RESIDENTIAL USE. A TRAILER PARK FOR EXAMPLE, A TRAILER WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONING AREA WITHOUT A VARIANCE. A DOUBLE COULD BE AN R2
OR R3 AND WOULD BE ALLOWED. LOOK AT DEFINITIONS. DEFINITIONS WOULD SAY LIVE IN MOBILE HOMES. THAT IS A RESIDENTIAL USE AND SHOULD BE ALLOWED. FINALLY LOOK TO SEE IF IT PRODUCES REVENUE FOR SOMEONE. A MOBILE HOME PARK PRODUCES REVENUE. THEY PAY RENT FOR A SPACE. THAT MAKES IT COMMERCIAL. ROADS IN A MOBILE HOME PARK ARE NOT DEDICATED, THEY ARE PRIVATE ROADS. THE CITY HAS NO OBLIGATION TO MAINTAIN THEM. THEY ARE NOT EVEN ALLEYS. A LOT OF TOWNS WON'T SEND TRASH TRUCKS ONTO PRIVATE ROADS. IF A TRUCKS CRUSHED ONE OF THE ROADS, THAT IS NOT A LIABILITY THE CITY WOULD WANT TO TAKE. IT IS NOT AS SIMPLE AS ONE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE. WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN, IT WAS NOT THOUGHT TO BE A PROBLEM.
PRESIDENT YORK ASKED IF THE CITY DOES SNOW REMOVAL IN THOSE AREAS.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID THIS IS A COMPLEX ISSUE. WE ARE ALL FRUSTRATED. CITIZENS ARE TOO. OUR ORDINANCE IS SOMEWHAT VAGUE. OUR FINANCES ARE STRAINED BUT WE NEED TO GIVE BETTER SERVICES, NOT LESS.
COUNCILADY GOODMAN SAID GIVE BETTER SERVICE, CHARGE A NOMINAL FEE.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID ALL KIND OF FIGURES HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT ABOUT HOW MUCH THIS TRASH CHANGE IS GOING TO SAVE. ORIGINALLY WE WERE TOLD WE WERE GOING TO SAVE WITH NINE LAY OFFS. THEN THE SAME AMOUNT WITH SEVEN LAY OFFS. NOW 3 LAY OFFS. BUT WE ARE STILL SAVING THAT AMOUNT. IF WE MOVED 2 PEOPLE ON A TRASH TRUCK, KEPT THE STAFFING PATTERN SIMILAR, HE WAS AMAZED THAT THE CITY WAS PAYING $220.00 A TON FOR TRASH, TO BUSTERS. WE MUST HAVE A BIG S, FOR SUCKER ON OUR FOREHEADS. RENEGOTIATE THOSE THINGS AND HE THOUGHT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN OTHER WAYS TO SAVE MONEY %u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026.HE WASN'T CONVINCED THAT THE TRASH TRUCKS ARE SAVING US MONEY. ARE THERE SAFETY ISSUES TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT? HE AGREED THIS WOULD HELP TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM GETTING STUCK BUT IS IT A MORE EFFICIENT USE OF CITY EMPLOYEES TIME? YES. HOWEVER, WE ARE ALREADY SHORT STAFFED. IF WE WOULD HAVE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER METHOD OF DOING THIS, MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING OTHER THAN BONDING FOR THE TWO ROAD PROJECTS. WE CAN'T HAVE EVERYTHING AND NOT PAY FOR IT. WE CAN'T KEEP GOING INTO DEBT TO DO THIS REGARDLESS IF IT IS GOING TO SAVE US MONEY OR NOT. IT IS GOING TO COST US IN THE LONG RUN. HE SAID PART OF HIS FRUSTRATION WAS KNOWING THERE WAS NO REAL ATTEMPT TO EXPLAIN A LONG TERM ONE YEAR, THEE YEAR OR FIVE YEAR PLAN OF HOW THIS IS REALLY GOING TO WORK WITH HARD CONCRETE VERIFIABLE FIGURES, SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AND IT IS GOING TO SAVE US MONEY. THAT IS A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM BESIDES IMPLEMENTED ISSUES. HE SAID THAT WAS A PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT HE HAS WITH THE WHOLE PROCESS IS, IT IS A TOTAL DISREGARD OF THE COUNCIL OR ANY TYPE OF PUBLIC DISCOURSE ON WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY MAY WANT. IT IS WE ARE GOING TO DO IT THIS WAY AND IT'S GOING TO SAVE US MONEY. THAT'S WHERE HIS BUY IN IS NOT HAPPENING BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY AND THAT IS WHAT FRUSTRATES HIM SO ABOUT THIS WHOLE PROJECT AND WAS NOT CONVINCED THAT WE ARE SAVING MONEY. EXCEPT ON PAPER.
COUNCILMAN KIDD SAID DEAL WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW. FORGET THE PAST AND PROBLEMS. THE ORDINANCE THAT WE WILL COME UP WITH WILL LOOK COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
STREET COMMISSIONER AYERS SAID THERE IS ENOUGH MONEY IN HIS BUDGET TO PAY 15 PEOPLE FROM THE 1ST OF AUGUST TO THE END OF THE YEAR. THE OLD WAY TOOK 3 PACKERS AND 3 PEOPLE, NINE ON TRASH TRUCKS. 2 MECHANICS, AND 1 IN THE OFFICE. THAT IS 12. YOU AVERAGE 3 PEOPLE OFF A DAY. THAT IS 15. UNDER THE OLD METHOD, ALL YOU COULD DO, THE REST OF THE YEAR, WITH THE MONEY THAT IS THERE, IS PICK UP TRASH IN MOST CASES. UNLESS THERE IS MONEY PUT INTO THE BUDGET TO PAY WAGES, YOU ARE STUCK WITH 15 PEOPLE. YOU HAD TO REDUCE THE WORK FORCE BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY THEM. WE WILL DO WHATEVER YOU WANT DONE. EXTRA TRASH PICKUP OR WHATEVER. WE HAVE NO CHOICE, WE ONLY HAVE ENOUGH TO PAY 15 PEOPLE.
TRANSPORTATION MANAGE THORHILL SAID, IN THE PAST, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT FINANCE LAST YEAR SAID, THEY WERE GOING TO CUT 1.6 MILLION OUT OF YOUR GENERAL FUND. THIS YEAR THEY DIDN'T DO THAT. THIS YEAR THEY CAME AND SAID, YOUR GOING TO CUT SOMETHING OUT OF YOUR GENERAL FUND AND 200,000 OUT OF TRANSPORTATION AND SO MUCH MONEY OUT OF HIS BUDGET AND THOSE WERE NON-NEGOTIABLE. WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO POINT OUT ERRORS THAT THEY MADE IN THEIR FIGURES, AND THEN WE SENT IN THE INFORMATION BEFORE SHE KNEW WHAT HERS WOULD BE. MATCH MONEY AND GRANT MONEY. THEY HADN'T COUNTED ALL MY REVENUE. THEY ALLOWED ME TO KEEP MY BUDGET EXCEPT FOR ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS OF IT. THAT WAS NOT A CHOICE FOR MVH. HE HAD TO
MAKE CHOICE WHERE TO TAKE THE MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID WE ARE PAYING $200,000. PLUS FOR THESE TRASH TRUCKS A YEAR. IS THAT RIGHT?
MAYOR SMALL SAID $179,000. A YEAR..
COUNCILMAN REID SAID TO MAKE A SHORT INCREASE THIS YEAR, WE'LL BE
PAYING MORE NEXT YEAR. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHATEVER THE STATE THROWS AT US NEXT YEAR PLUS THE $179,000.00. WHY HAVEN'T WE LOOKED AT CUTTING ELECTRICITY, RENEGOTIATE. HE WOULD RATHER SEE SOME OF THE STREET LIGHTS TURNED OFF AS TO NOT GET THE ROADS PAVED WHEN WINTER HITS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF. CAN'T STICK UTILITY PEOPLE THERE BECAUSE YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS TO PAY FOR THEM. IF YOUR DEPARTMENT ISN'T PAYING FOR THEM, THEN YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL. THERE ARE A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. AS A COUNCIL PERSON, I DON'T THINK THIS HAS NOT BEEN WELL PLANNED OR EXECUTED LONG TERM. THAT IS HIS BIG CONCERN. THERE ARE OTHER MECHANISMS TO LOOK AT THE CITY WOULD NOT HAVE INCURRED ADDITIONAL DOLLARS. WHY DIDN'T WE RETRO OUR EXISTING PACKERS AND GIVE THEM NEW ENGINES? HE SAID MAYBE THAT WAS CHEAPER. HE SAID HE DOESN'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC COSTS AND THAT IS THE OTHER PART OF THE PROBLEM WE HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN A GOOD COST ANALYSIS TO SHOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO SAVE MONEY.
MAYOR SMALL SAID THEY WERE GIVEN A SPREAD SHEET THAT WAS VERY ACCURATE.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID THERE WAS NO JUSTIFICATION OF WHERE THOSE FIGURES CAME FROM.
MAYOR SMALL SAID IT IS SIMPLE. $179,000.00 A YEAR FOR THE LEASE, 2 OPERATORS @ $50,000.00 EACH. THERE YOU ARE TALKING $279,000.00 ROUGHLY. IF WE HAD THE OLD PACKERS, 9 EMPLOYEES @ $50,000.00 A YEAR THAT IS $450,000.00 IN LABOR. THAT IS THE SAVINGS.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID HE HAD SEEN THE SPREAD SHEET AND HE SAID THE FIGURES WERE PADDED TO MAKE A POINT.
MAYOR SMALL SAID HE GOT THE FIGURES FROM THE ACCOUNTANT, ASSUMING
$16,000.00 FOR BENEFITS, INCLUDING HEALTH, AND THAT LEAVES $34,000.00 FOR SALARY WHICH IS A FAIR ESTIMATE PER EMPLOYEE.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID THAT HE AND THE MAYOR WERE NOT GOING TO SEE EYE TO EYE ON THIS. HE SAID THAT WHEN WE START PLOWING SNOW, YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS. YOU GET TO WORK OVERTIME OR YOU MOVE UTILITY PEOPLE INTO YOUR DEPARTMENT, WHICH IN CASE YOUR BUDGET STILL HAS TO PAY THEM. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. SO WHY DID WE INCUR AN ADDITIONAL $179,000.00 COST. MAYBE THERE WAS ANOTHER WAY WE COULD HAVE DONE IT. IN EITHER CASE.
PRESIDENT YORK SAID WE WOULD HAVE HAD MORE LAY OFFS HAD WE NOT SHIFTED SOME TO THE UTILITIES?
MAYOR SMALL SAID YES. WE SHIFTED 4 TO THE UTILITIES.
PRESIDENT YORK SAID THIS OPENS UP SOMETHING ELSE. WE CAN'T KEEP SHIFTING TO THE UTILITIES WITHOUT THAT COMING BACK TO BITE US. WITH THE RATE STUDY, WE ARE ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL REALLY. WE TOOK THEM OUT OF THIS BUDGET AND THEN INTO THE UTILITY BUDGET. NOW WE ARE GOING TO BE FACED WITH A UTILITY INCREASE, AND GOD KNOWS SHE DIDN'T WANT TO LAY OFF ANYBODY ELSE BUT WE HAVE TO PHASE THAT OUT TOO.
MAYOR SMALL SAID SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE TRANSFERRED OVER ARE REPLACING PART TIME WORKERS WHO WERE STILL ON THE PAYROLL. 3 FROM WASTEWATER AND 1 FROM THE WATER DEPARTMENT, WHO ARE NO LONGER WORKING. THEY WERE REPLACED BY THE FULL TIME. THERE IS NOT 4 ADDITIONAL SALARIES THERE.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID THAT BROUGHT UP ANOTHER CONCERN. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT ADDING PEOPLE AS UTILITY WORKERS IN NAME ONLY. THEY NEED TO BE DOING THE UTILITY WORK. WE CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE BEING PAID BY THE UTILITY PAYROLL DOING STUFF FOR THE TAXPAYERS SIDE OF THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE WILL GET IN TROUBLE WITH THE STATE BOARD OF ACCOUNTS AND IT IS PROBABLY ILLEGAL.
PRESIDENT YORK SAID THE COUNCIL HAD TO LOOK AT THE BUDGETS FOR NEXT YEAR. SHE BROUGHT FORTH THE BUDGET AND REMARKED THAT THE NUMBERS LOOKED ASTRONOMICAL BUT WHEN YOU GO THROUGH IT, PUTTING THE SERVICE, THE NAME, ETC., THE NUMBERS START SHRINKING BACK DOWN. THE NUMBERS GO UP BUT OUR REVENUE GOES DOWN. THAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS COUNCIL, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE BUDGET ESTIMATES. WE DID NOT RECEIVE A BUDGET PACKAGE FOR THE UTILITIES. THOSE ARE INCREASING NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE SHIFTED FROM THE TAX LEVY SIDE TO THE UTILITY SIDE. IF THIS CONTINUES, THE RATE STUDY THAT WE RECEIVED IS NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT IS WRITTEN ON. WE JUST BLEW $70,000.00 FOR THE STUDY, BUT IT HAD TO BE DONE.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID THAT IN LONG TERM, REMOVING OURSELVES FROM THE I U R C WOULD BE THE WORSE THING WE COULD DO BECAUSE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, OVER THE PAST 25 YEARS, HAVE SHOWN THAT THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO RAISE THE RATES FOR UTILITIES.
PRESIDENT YORK SAID SHE HAD VOTED AGAINST A RATE INCREASE SINCE SHE HAS BEEN ON THE COUNCIL.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID BUT AT THE TIME, THE I U R C REQUIRES THE CITY TO MAINTAIN SOLVENCY AND IF WE GET TO WHERE WE ARE NOT SOLVENT, THEY WILL COME IN AND RAISE THE RATES FOR YOU. WE HAVE TO BE PRO-ACTIVE OR WE'LL END UP WITH HIGHER RATES. THAT IS A GOOD REASON FOR STAYING IN THE I U R C. WE HAVE SHIFTED ADDITIONAL COST TO THE UTILITIES AND OPERATING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION, WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY BACK THE MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS THAT WE OWE THE STORM SEWER UTILITY BY THE END OF THE YEAR. HE ASKED IF HE WAS OUT IN LA, LA, LAND FOR THINKING THAT.
PRESIDENT YORK SAID SHE DIDN'T THINK HE WAS IN LA, LA, LAND.
CLERK-TREASURER LAVARNWAY SAID IT HAS TO BE PAID BACK BY JANUARY 31, 2010.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID HE DIDN'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE THE CASH TO PAY BACK UNLESS WE BORROW MORE MONEY.
ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID THERE WOULD BE CASH TO PAY IT BACK BUT YOU WILL HAVE NOTHING TO OPERATE ON. THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER RESOLUTION TO BORROW FROM THE BACK AND NOT FROM STORM WATER. HE SAID YOU CANNOT BORROW MORE, IN A YEAR, THAN WHAT YOU GET IN, IN TAXES.
MAYOR SMALL ASKED PRESIDENT YORK OF WHERE TO GO FOR THERE HAD TO BE AN ANSWER TONIGHT ON THE NON-PROFITS, CHURCHES, COMMERCIALS AND CHARGE FOR TOTERS.
PRESIDENT YORK SAID SHE WASN'T THE ONLY COUNCIL MEMBER HERE TONIGHT, AND SHE KNEW SHE THE PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL, BUT THIS IS A DECISION THAT ALL SIX OF US NEED TO GET A CONSENSUS ON AND SHE ASKED FOR THEIR INPUT.
COUNCILADY GOODMAN SAID ACCORDING TO THE LIST, AND SUGGESTIONS MADE BY THE MAYOR, HE IS WILLING FOR THE NON-PROFIT AND CHURCHES TO BE PICKED UP IF THEY BUY THE TOTER AT $60.00 PER . IF THEY BUY THE TOTER, THEN THE CITY WOULD PICK UP THEIR TRASH WITHOUT ANY KIND OF FEE. THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES OR THE BUSINESSES THAT IS MAKING A PROFIT FOR SOMEONE, SHE WOULD SUPPORT THAT THEY PAY A MONTHLY FEE.
COUNCILMAN REID ASKED COUNCILADY GOODMAN IF SHE WAS SUGGESTING FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE WAS A SINGLE UNIT RENTAL OR A DUPLEX, SITTING ON AN AREA THAT THE LANDLORD BE FORCED TO PAY FOR COMMERCIAL PICK UP FOR THAT TENNANT, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
COUNCILMAN REID SAID THAT IF THEY ARE LISTED ON T5HE WATER UTILITY, IF THEY OWN THE PROPERTY AND RENT IT OUT, THEY PAY A HIGHER RATE ON WATER ALREADY.
ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN PICKING UP AND DISTRIBUTED TOTERS TO RENTAL PROPERTIES WITH DUPLEXES. THE ISSUE COMES FROM 3 OR MORE UNITS AND THE TRAILER COURTS. THAT IS WHERE THE QUESTION HAS ARISEN. YOU COULD BE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THAT. THEY HAVE DISTRIBUTED TOTERS TO SINGLE RENTAL PROPERTIES AND DUPLEXES.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID THAT MOST TRIPLEXES LOOK LIKE REGULAR HOUSES. THE 3 IS KIND OF IFFY. IF SOME PLACE LIKE AUTUMN OAKS THAT HAVE 90 UNITS, THE CITY SHOULD NOT PICK UP. DO WE ALL AGREE WITH THAT? AUTUMN OAKS, WILLOW GLENN, FORREST KNOLL, THORNCROFT%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026
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PRESIDENT YORK SAID THAT IS NOT RIGHT. THE CITY PICKS IT UP.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID THAT THERE ARE APARTMENTS WHERE THE RENTER PAYS FOR THEIR OWN WATER UTILITY. IN THAT CASE, THEY ARE LIKE AN INDIVIDUAL OUT HERE IN A PLAN OLD HOUSE. HE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS RIGHT TO PENALIZE THEM. WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON THIS TONIGHT.
COUNCILMAN KIDD SAID IF HE WAS A RENTER, NO MATTER WHERE HE WAS AT,
TRAILER COURT OR RENT FROM SOMEBODY, IF I HAD TO PAY FOR MY OWN WATER AND UTILITIES, THEN HE SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO THE TRASH PICK UP.
ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID THAT MOST ALL TENANTS PAY FOR THEIR UTILITIES. EITHER DIRECTLY OR PART OF THEIR RENT.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO REGULATE THAT.
PRESIDENT YORK SAID THAT WAS THE PROBLEM, REGULATION.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID THAT AN ORDINANCE COME FORTH STATING THAT ALL UTILITIES BE PAID BY THE LANDLORD. THAT WOULD FORCE THE LANDLORD TO INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE RENT. YOU'D HAVE A RIOT BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF LANDLORDS THAT HAVE LOW PROFIT MARGINS. PART OF THE WAY THEY RENT APARTMENTS, THEY EXPECT THEIR CLIENTS TO PROVIDE THE UTILITY. IF THE CLIENT RUNS UP A LARGE WATER BILL BECAUSE THEY LET A TOILET RUN FOR A MONTH OR A LINE BREAK AND DIDN'T BOTHER TO FIX IT, WE ARE IN GREY AREA LAND.
PRESIDENT YORK REFERRED TO THE LIST WHICH INCLUDES DOCTOR'S OFFICE, DAY CARE CENTER, ETC.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID THE ORDINANCE SAYS YOU HAVE TO PICK THE TRASH UP ONCE A WEEK. YOU WOULDN'T WANT THE TRASH TO ACCUMULATE FOR A MONTH OR TWO. AFTER A COUPLE OF WEEKS, THE RATS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING TO COME CRAWLING.
ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID THAT EVERYBODY EXCEPT THE NON-FOR-PROFITS ARE PROPERTY TAX PAYERS. HE DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT DISTINCTION WOULD WORK. HE SAID AT HIS LAW OFFICE, THEY THOUGHT THE CITY SHOULD PICK UP THERE TRASH. WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD PRIVATE TRASH PICK UP.
COUNCILMAN KIDD ASKED ABOUT THE LINE BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND NON-COMMERCIAL.
ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW, BUT YOU HAVE TO DEFINE IT. THE TRAILER PARKS DO NOT HAVE A RESIDENTIAL ZONE. WHEN YOU PUT A TRAILER ON A PRIVATE LOT, WHERE IT IS OWNED BY THE PERSON THAT REQUIRES A VARIANCE AND IS NOT ALLOWED IN A RESIDENTIALLY ZONED DISTRICT. THAT WHICH WOULD SEEM TO BE A VERY SIMPLE WAY TO DEFINE IT, IT IS NOT.
COUNCILMAN REID ASKED FOR A POLL AGAIN. DO WE ALL AGREE THAT THE NON-FOR-PROFIT AND CHURCHES THAT DON'T REQUIRE DUMPSTERS, SHOULD GET THEIR TRASH PICKED UP?
MAYOR SMALL ASKED IF WE COULD GO FOR ANOTHER TWO WEEKS COLLECTING FROM THOSE PLACES AS WE HAVE BEFORE, HE ASKED THE STREET COMMISSIONER.
COMMISSIONER AYERS SAID THEY COULD DO THAT. WE WILL DO WHATEVER THE COUNCIL ORDERS.
MAYOR SMALL ASKED IF THIS WAS AGREEABLE WITH COUNCIL TO CONTINUE PRESENT FORM OF TRASH PICK UP FOR THE DUBIOUS LIST UNTIL THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING?
COUNCILMAN REID SAID IF YOU PICK UP ALL NON-FOR -PROFIT AND CHURCHES, WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT LOSE ANYBODY.
MAYOR SAID WE HAVE PACKERS THAT CAN PICK UP DUMPSTERS AT CHURCHES.
COUNCILMAN KOGER SAID HE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS FAIR TO PICK UP 5 PEOPLE'S BUSINESSES AND THE OTHER 200 HAVE TO PAY. HE SAID HE THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE YOU PAY FOR THE TOTER AND WE'LL PICK IT UP OR GET YOUR OWN TRASH PICK UP.
COUNCILMAN KOGER SAID THE FOR-PROFIT SHOULD GET THERE OWN OR GET THERE OWN PICK UP. LET'S MAKE IT, GET THERE OWN PICK UP. CHURCHES KEEP THE SAME WAY. TO HELP US OUT, HE WAS SURE THEY WOULD BUY THEIR OWN TOTER. THE LARGER CHURCHES PROBABLY COULDN'T OR WOULDN'T.
COUNCILMAN KOGER SAID THAT THOSE ON THIS LIST SHOULD BE NOTIFIED. THERE WILL BE NO PICK UP FOR PROFIT.
COUNCILMAN KOGER ASKED WHY GLENWOOD TRAILER PARK WAS NOT ON THE LIST.
A GENTLEMAN FROM QUALLS TRAILER PARK FELT THAT THE CITY SHOULD PICK UP IN THE TRAILER COURT. HE FELT IT WAS UNFAIR BECAUSE HE PAID TAXES.
ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID THAT THE TRASH PICK UP WAS BEING PAID OUT OF PROPERTY TAX MONIES, NOT PERSONNEL TAX MONIES.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID THE THIS WEEK, THE CITY SHOULD PICK IT UP AND GIVE THEM A WEEK OR TWO TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID WE WILL PICK UP NON-FOR-PROFITS, WE WON'T PICK UP LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, BUT WE WILL PICK UP INDIVIDUAL TRAILERS.
ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID THAT THE NEW CASTLE HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY AND PAYS FOR TRASH PICK UP IN LIEU OF TAXES.
MAYOR SMALL SAID THEY HAD A CONVERSATION OF WHAT AN EXTRA TOTER WOULD COST. HE SAID WE PAY $60.00 FOR THE 96 GALLON AND SLIGHTLY LESS FOR THE 48 GALLON.
COUNCILMAN REID ASKED IF THE TOTERS WERE ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY OR THE PERSON.
THE MAYOR SAID TO THE PROPERTY. THEY HAVE SERIAL NUMBERS ON THEM.
DALE COLE ASKED ABOUT THE UNION HALL. IF THEIR TRASH WAS GOING TO BE PICKED UP.
ATTORNEY COPENHAVER SAID THIS WAS A 501 ORGANIZATION. A 501 IS A NON-FOR-PROFIT, SO YOU WOULD BE ENTITLED TO HAVE YOUR TRASH PICKED UP. YOU WOULD HAVE TO BUY A TOTER.
DON TICHENOR, SAID THE COUNCIL SHOULD NOT BE LIKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, TRYING TO PASS SOMETHING YOU DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION FOR. HE SAID BACKFLOW DEVICES ARE ONE THING, STATE CODES ARE ANOTHER. YOUR CITY ITSELF, THE BUILDING INSPECTORS OFFICE HAS ONE THING FOR COMMERCIAL AND EVERYBODY HAS COMMERCIAL. DON'T DO THIS HALF WAY. YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY OWNER OCCUPIED ANY ZONING. WHAT ARE THEY CLASSIFIED AS COMMERCIAL? SOME OWNERS OF THE TRAILER COURTS OR MOBILE HOME PARKS LIVE IN OTHER STATES. THAT IS COMMERCIAL. YOU NEED TO GET THE DEFINITION RIGHT. IF THERE ARE THREE APARTMENTS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BACKFLOW DEVICE.
PUBLIC SPEAKING:
MIKE GUFFEY, 622 SO. 22ND STREET, CONCERNED ABOUT THE DRUG DEALERS IN NEW CASTLE. HE SAID HE HEARD ABOUT A LAYOFF IN THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS. HE SAID HE HAD A RUN IN WITH A POLICE OFFICER ABOUT A MAN WHO WAS UNABLE TO WALK A STRAIGHT LINE. HE SAID HE ASKED THE OFFICER WHY NOTHING WAS BEING DONE TO THIS MAN. THE POLICE OFFICE WAS TO HAVE SAID WELL THE CITY IS NOT PAYING ANY OVERTIME AND WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO SEE IF THIS GUY IS ON DRUGS. YOU SAID MR. MAYOR THAT YOU WANTED TO BEAUTIFY THE CITY WHEN YOU BECAME MAYOR. HE THOUGHT THAT GETTING RID OF DRUG DEALERS IS A SIGN OF BEAUTIFICATION. HE SAID HE WAS VERY CONCERNED.
MAYOR SMALL ASKED THE CHIEF OF POLICE NICHOLSON IF HE WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT.
CHIEF NICHOLSON SAID THAT THEY HAD SEVERAL OFFICERS OFF ON SICK LEAVE BUT HAD ENOUGH TO COVER AND HE WOULD LOOK INTO IT. WE ARE PAYING AND WORKING OVERTIME. HE SAID THEY ARE RESTRICTED NOW SINCE THEY DO NOT HAVE TAKE HOME CARS. THOSE OFFICERS OFF DUTY WERE ALWAYS THERE TO HELP.
COUNCILMAN REID STATED THAT A MISCONSTRUCTION OF WHAT HE SAID WAS, THE CITY IS GOING TO TAKE MORE CUTS NEXT YEAR BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAX CAP. HE SAID HE SUGGESTED THAT THE CITY OF NEW CASTLE IMPLEMENT A RESERVE POLICE UNIT AND A VOLUNTEER FIRE UNIT TO SUPPLEMENT THE EXISTING PAID PEOPLE AND GET SOMETHING IN PLACE BECAUSE SOME TIME THE CITY HAS CUT JUST ABOUT ALL IT CAN FROM THE EMERGENCY SERVICES. IN SOME POINT, IT IS GOING TO HAVE TO CUT INTO THE EMERGENCY STAFF. NONE OF US WANT THAT. NONE OF US WANTED TO SEE THE AFSCME PEOPLE LAID OFF, NOR POLICE OR FIREMEN. WE WOULD LIKE TO HIRE MORE IF WE HAD THE MONEY. NEXT YEAR, THE CITY WILL HAVE LESS MONEY. THE REALITY FROM HIS POINT OF VIEW, HE ANTICIPATES THE CITY MAKING CUTS NEXT YEAR IN EMERGENCY SERVICES. DON'T THINK THEY CAN GET AROUND IT. HE HOPES THE CITY OF NEW CASTLE WILL IMPLEMENT RESERVE COMPONENTS BEFORE THOSE CUTS NEED TO BE MADE, TO SUPPLEMENT IT WHERE THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY CAN CONTINUE TO RECEIVE HIGH QUALITY SERVICES IF WE HAVE LESS PAID BOOTS ON THE GROUND.
MR. GUFFEY SAID HE DISAGREED WITH THE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM. HE SAID DON'T SEND A BARNEY FIFE TO HIS HOUSE TO PROTECT HIM AND HIS FAMILY.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID HE UNDERSTOOD BUT IT WAS BETTER THAN NOTHING.
MARK MEEKS, NORTH 17TH STREET, APPEARED BEFORE THE COUNCIL ON BEHALF OF HIS MOTHER WHO LIVES BEHIND HARVEST MARKET. HE SAID HIS MOTHER HAS NEVER ASKED THE CITY FOR ANYTHING. SHE DOES COUNT ON THE CITY TO PICK UP HER TRASH EVERY MORNING. SHE HAS TO TAKE HER TRASH TO THE FRONT OF HER HOME. SHE ISN'T ABLE TO DO THIS SO HER TRASH HAS NOT BEEN PICKED UP. HER TRASH WAS IN THE ALLEY WHERE IT HAS BEEN UP EVERY WEEK FOR 77 YEARS. HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO BE AT HIS MOTHER'S HOUSE TOMORROW MORNING AT 7:30 A.M. TO SEE WHO WAS GOING TO COLLECT THE TRASH. THE MAYOR OR THE STREET COMMISSIONER. HE SAID HE THOUGHT SOMEBODY JUMPED IN AND DONE SOMETHING WITHOUT THINKING WHEN THEY WENT TO THESE TOTERS. HE TOLD ABOUT THE ARM ON THIS TRUCK THAT NOW IS PICKING UP THE TRASH, MUNCIE HAS IT AND IT CAUSING THE CITY A LOT OF CAR REPAIRS BECAUSE THEY HIT THE CARS WHEN THEY GO TO PICK UP THE TOTER. HE TOLD ABOUT A SHOP LIFTER AT WALMART. POLICE CAME ABOUT 45 MINUTES LATER AND TOOK THE MAN IN CUSTODY. A YOUNG MAN WAS WITH HIM BUT PICKED UP AND LEFT THE SCENE. MR. MUKES SAID HE FOUND THE KID AND TOOK HIM TO POLICE HEADQUARTERS WHERE HE WAS ASKED IF HE STOLE SOMETHING AND THE KID SAID NO. THE OFFICER TOLD HIM TO GO ON HOME.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID THAT ALL DRIVERS HAVE C D L LICENSES. HE ALSO ASKED CHIEF NICHOLSON ABOUT THE TAKE HOME CARS. THE REASON THE CITY IMPLEMENTED THE TAKE HOME CARS WAS IT SERVED AS A DETERRENT. THE POLICE OFFICERS THAT WERE DRIVING THEIR CARS HAVE A LEGAL OBLIGATION TO ASSIST IN A CRIME, IF THEY HAVE THEIR FAMILY OR NOT. HE SAID NOW WITH THE CARS PARKED DURING OFF DUTY TIME, WE HAVE REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF POLICING IN THE CITY. HE SAID HE WANTED TO SEE THE POLICE DRIVE THEIR CARS WHEN THEY ARE OFF DUTY. EVERY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT ORGANIZATION IN THE STATE OF INDIANA HAS TAKE HOME CARS FOR THEIR POLICE OFFICERS. IF THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION WOULD HAVE IMPLEMENTED TAKE HOME CARS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY CARS FOR THE POLICE TO DRIVE RIGHT NOW. THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE ON FOOT. THEY ARE GOING THROUGH 10 CARS A YEAR FROM RUNNING THEM 24 HOURS A DAY. HE SAID HE KNEW BUDGETS WERE TIGHT AND GAS EXPENSIVE BUT HE KNEW THAT A LOT OF THE OFFICERS PAY FOR THE GAS THAT GOES INTO THOSE CARS IN THEIR OFF DUTY TIME.
CHIEF NICHOLSON SAID THEY ARE WORKING ON IT. HE SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT MORE THE MAYOR OR THE DEPARTMENT CAN DO. HE SAID RECENTLY THERE WAS A LETTER IN THE PAPER WANTING TO TURN OFF SOME OF THE STREET LIGHTS AND TAKE AWAY THE TAKE HOME POLICE CARS. THIS WAS AMID AT THE CITY. NOT THE COUNTY OR STATE. A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK JUST BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN THE CITY, THEY JUST PAY CITY TAXES BUT THEY PAY CITY, COUNTY AND STATE TAXES. OUR OFFICERS WERE JUST DRIVING WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. OUR UNIFORMED OFFICERS LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS. SOME BRASS LIVE OUT IN THE TOWNSHIP. GO TO OTHER COMMUNITIES SUCH AS HAGERSTOWN AND YOU WILL FIND POLICE CARS FROM RICHMOND THERE.\
MAYOR SMALL SAID THE OFFICERS CAN NOT DRIVE FOR PERSONNEL REASONS. THEY CAN NOT TAKE THEIR FAMILIES IN THE CARS. IT IS TO AND FROM WORK. IF THEY ARE DISBURSED, IN TIME OF EMERGENCY, THEY ARE NEEDED. THEIR TRUNKS ARE FULL OF 20 TO 30 DEVICES AND THEY CANNOT BE UNLOADING A POLICE CAR, EVERY TIME THEY GO OFF SHIFT, HAVE TO RESPOND BACK HERE TO THEIR LOCKER. HE SAID HE DIDN'T WANT A POLICE OFFICER TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE STATION TO RESPOND TO A PROBLEM 2 BLOCKS AWAY FROM HIS HOUSE. HE WANTS THE OFFICER TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND IMMEDIATELY.
COUNCILMAN REID ASKED IF THAT DECISION WAS MADE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT OR BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. IF WE GOT THE MONEY LEFT IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR, LET'S KEEP THE CARS DRIVING BECAUSE THE DRUG DEALERS AND THOSE WHO ARE OUT TO DO NO GOOD, HAVE ALREADY REALIZED, AND HE NOTICED, THERE ARE FEWER POLICE CARS OUT NOW. WE NEED TO KEEP THEM ON THE STREETS.
MAYOR SMALL SAID THERE IS A PROPOSAL BEFORE HIM THAT HE HAS NOT ACTED UPON YET, TO PAY CERTAIN AMOUNTS OF MONEY SO THEY CAN DO THAT.
COUNCILADY GOODMAN ASKED ABOUT THE PUNCH OUT LIST FOR INDOT ON THE 18TH STREET PROJECT.
MAYOR SMALL SAID A LIST HAS NOT BEEN FORMED AS OF YET. THE COMPLETION IS TO BE DONE THIS FALL.
COUNCILMAN REID SAID HIS UNDERSTANDING THE ORIGINAL ENGINEERING PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED; A NO PARKING ZONE WAS THERE. HE SAID HE QUESTIONED IT AND THE TURN LANE AND INDOT 'S RESPONSE BACK WAS THAT EVERY HOUSE DOWN THROUGH THERE HAD OFF STREET PARKING? INDOT FELT IT WAS SAFER TO PROVIDE A CENTER LANE TO GET TO THEIR OFF STREET PARKING.
MIKE RAGAN, 217 N. 17TH ST., SAID HE HAD SAT THERE 3 HOURS AND SAW THINGS GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES. HE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE TRASH. HE SAID HE HEARD ANGIE TALK ABOUT LOOKING UP THINGS ON THE INTERNET ABOUT SEYMOUR. HE LIVED THERE AND WAS THERE WHEN THEY IMPLEMENTED THE TRASH PICKUP. WHEN IT COMES TO BUSINESSES SUCH AS FUNERAL HOMES OR DOCTOR'S OFFICE OR ANY KIND OF BUSINESS, YOU DIDN'T GET YOUR TRASH PICKED UP. THEY IMPLEMENTED A $3.00 FEE AND EVERYBODY AGREED TO IT. THEY WANTED THEIR TRASH PICKED UP; THEY WANTED THEIR BULK TRASH PICKED UP. HE SAID HE HAD NO PROBLEM PAYING THAT ON THE WATER BILL. HE SAID HIS ONLY PROBLEM NOW IS, HE DIDN'T RECEIVE A TOTE UNTIL TONIGHT AT 6:50 P.M. AS I WAS COMING TO THIS MEETING. I WAS ON THE LIST SINCE LAST WEEK. HE SAID HE WAS TOTALLY FOR THE TRASH PICK UP WITH THE TOTES, BUT, HE TOLD THE MAYOR, YOU TRIED TO IMPLEMENT IT TO FAST. DIDN'T TALK TO THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY. DIDN'T GET EVERYONE'S OPINION ON THIS. HE SAID HE PAYS TAXES AND HAS A 3 UNIT APARTMENT. HE SAID THE PEOPLE WHO RENT FROM HIM PAY UTILITY BILLS. THEY PAY TAXES, NOT PROPERTY TAXES, BUT THEY PAY TAXES. HE FELT THAT THEY DESERVE TO HAVE THEIR TRASH PICKED UP. IF HE INCREASES THEIR RENT, THEY ARE GOING TO KICK. YOU CAN'T SET HERE AND ARGUE BACK AND FORTH FOR 3 HOURS OVER WHAT IS COMMERCIAL AND WHAT IS NON-PROFIT AND WHAT IS BUSINESS. IF IT'S BUSINESS, IT'S BUSINESS. IF IT'S A DOCTOR'S OFFICE OR A FUNERAL HOME, OR A DRUG STORE, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. THEY NEED TO PAY FOR THEIR TRASH PICK UP. IF IT'S A CHURCH, PICK UP THE CHURCH'S TRASH. YOU'RE GOING OT HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE GO ALONG WITH WHAT YOU DO IF IT'S CHURCH PEOPLE. HE SAID HIS QUESTION WAS THIS, HE WAS TOLD HIS TRASH WOULD BE PICKED UP TODAY BUT HE DIDN'T HAVE A TOTE. HE SAID NOW SOMEONE IN YOUR OFFICE TOLD ME IT WOULD BE PICKED UP TOMORROW. HE SAID HE HAD TO WORK IN THE MORNING AND IF THE TRASH IS NOT PICKED UP, IT WILL BE SCATTERED IN THE STREET FROM THE CATS AND DOGS. IF WE DON'T COME TO SOME KIND OF AN AGREEMENT ON THIS TRASH, NEW CASTLE IS NOT GOING TO BE A CLEAN CITY. IT WILL BE A MESS. THE TRAIN CARS ARE BAD ENOUGH, BUT WAIT UNTIL THE TRASH STARTS BUILDING UP. IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN EXTRA PICK UP FOR HEAVY TRASH, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A DISASTER AREA.
MAYOR SMALL SAID HE WOULD BE SUBMITTING AN ORDINANCE AT THE NEXT MEETING AND WILL BE ASKING FOR PUBLIC INPUT.
PRESIDENT YORK MOVED FOR ADJOURNMENT.
COUNCILMAN REID: SECOND
